Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Kyuji]

I don't think that the Tartars living there today personally collaborated with Hitler.

True. But I never saw any sorry for the holocaust from their leaders,did you?

Again holodomor , thats why they helped the nazis.

[Oaledonia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Butz
An actual professor, speaking bullshit.

He's a professor of Electrical Engineering; the University he teaches at said that the reason they cannot fire him is that he doesn't talk about it in class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Elmer_Barnes
I knew you were going to say that, so here's a historian.

[Delegation of USSR to Agri Union]

True. But I never saw any sorry for the holocaust from their leaders,did you?

Again holodomor , thats why they helped the nazis.

Friend-Enemy of mine said it was in the easter part of Ukraine.

[Yanalia]

Plenty of "Historians" also say the holocaust never happened

Grover Furr is an actual historian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Furr

He might be a bit biased, given that he wrote The Anti-Stalin Deception and Slandered Stalin.

[United Marxist Nations]

He's a professor of Electrical Engineering; the University he teaches at said that the reason they cannot fire him is that he doesn't talk about it in class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Elmer_Barnes
I knew you were going to say that, so here's a historian.

Only worked at Columbia University until 1929.

[Oaledonia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Elmer_Barnes
I knew you were going to say that, so here's a historian.

Only worked at Columbia University until 1929.

He's still a historian :3

[United Marxist Nations]

Only worked at Columbia University until 1929.

He's still a historian :3

A discredited one. Professor Furr still teaches about the USSR under Stalin at one of the most prestigious universities in the country.

[Oaledonia]

He's still a historian :3

A discredited one. Professor Furr still teaches about the USSR under Stalin at one of the most prestigious universities in the country.

Yes, yes.
Grover Furr was also discredited by many.
The soviet union was glorious.
It never did anything wrong.
Blah blah blah.

[Keventle]

As seen in the title, Jewish people were handed pamphlets outside of their synagogue on the Passover. It states that people need to register above the age of 16 and pay $50. A small sickle and hammer are found at the bottom right. Some report this has come from Russia.
So why does the Ukraine government need to know this?
Is Ukraine or Russia going 'communist'?

You decide NS

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... e/7816951/

[Divair2]

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukrain ... stry-fake/

[Avenio]

Jesus tapdancing Christ on a pogostick...

1.) We already have a 130-page-long thread on this. Go use it.

2.) It's not the Ukraine that allegedly distributed it, it's the breakaway government in Donetsk. Go actually read some news articles on the subject.

3.) What in the seven hells does this have to do with communism?

[Blazedtown]

You've just been burned East Ukraine. I got you good.

[NERVUN]

The Japanese were brought democracy, and they are thankfull for that. Why would it be different for Russia?

it is enough to drop a nuke on Tunguska.

Either

A) Trolling
B) fucked up attempt at sarcasm and humor
C) genuinely stupid

E: Ever heard of MAD?

*** Warned for flaming and spam (trollnaming) ***. You're on the verge of vacation time from the forums. I suggest a rethink of your actions.

[Shofercia]

Turchinov's Government tells Ukrainian troops: "fire on civilians, or be court martialed!"

Not his exact words, but he did just threaten an entire brigade with court martial, all because they dared to not shoot at civilians without weapons. He's going after them for "cowardice" while hiding behind the backs of anyone who'll get in front of him: http://www.utro.ru/articles/2014/04/17/1189991.shtml

Let's see how far Ukrainian defenders want to take their bullshit now.

Бригада ВДВ украинской армии, которая попала в окружение жителей Краматорска и не стала продвигаться вглубь города, будет расформирована по решению исполняющего обязанности президента Александра Турчинова.

"Двадцать пятая отдельная воздушно-десантная бригада, бойцы которой проявили трусость и сдали оружие, будет расформирована. Виновные в трусости военные будут отвечать перед судом", - цитирует РБК выступление и.о. главы государства в ходе заседания Верховной рады. По словам Турчинова, он уже дал все необходимые поручения Министерству обороны и Генеральной прокуратуре страны.

Накануне несколько бронетранспортеров, находящихся в подчинении Минобороны, не сумели продвинуться вглубь Краматорска, в котором должны были участвовать в "антитеррористической спецоперации", из-за противодействия членов "народного ополчения" и вынуждены были отойти к поселку Пчелкино, на окраину города. После этого бронетехника была заблокирована местными жителями, среди которых якобы присутствовали люди в масках.

По данным военного ведомства, в переговоры с протестующими вступил командующий высокомобильными десантными войсками Украины Александр Швец. Он достиг соглашения о выходе солдат из окружения с личным оружием и на штатной технике. При этом с автоматов бойцов были сняты затворы в качестве гарантии того, что огонь открыт не будет.

С начала текущей недели в нескольких городах юго-восточной части Украины проходит "антитеррористическая спецоперация" с целью усмирения сторонников федерализации страны, захвативших несколько административных зданий и требующих проведения референдума.

VDV Brigade of the Ukrainian Army that ended up being surrounded by civilians of Kramatorsk, opted not to assault further into the city. As a result, the brigade will be demobilized on orders of acting president, Aleksander Turchinov.

"25th separate VDV brigade, whose soldiers demonstrated cowardice and handed out their weapons will be disbanded. Cowards will answer before court" stated Turchinov according to RBK. According to Turchinov, he already handed all of the necessary paperwork to the ministry of defense and the [Svoboda led] general prosecutor's office.

Earlier, a few armored infantry vehicles failed to move into Krematorsk where they were ordered to conduct an "antiterrorist operation" due to the resistance of the "militia members" and ended up retreating to Pchelkino, on the ouskirts of the city. After this, the column was blocked by local civilians, some of whom allegedly wore masks.

According to the ministry of defense, the commander of Ukraine's VDV, Aleksander Svetz began negotiations with the civilians of Krematorsk. He was able to get the civilians to enabled to soldiers to exit peaceful, as long as they turned over the bullets and did not reload their weapons.

Since the start of the week, several cities in the Southeast of Ukraine are being subject to an "anti-terrorist operation" with the goal of pacifying those who support the Federalization of Ukraine, [Not independence! Federalization!] who captured several administrative buildings and asked for a democratic referendum.

I'm fucking speechless. Despite the hell that they've been put through, by all sides, they don't want to secede, but they want more autonomy, so that they can topple the inept Oligarchs ruling them without intervention from Kiev. And for this act, for daring to live a better life as part of Ukraine and protesting by occupying buildings, the exact same thing that Maidaners claimed to do, these people are dubbed "terrorists!" Take a good look NSG, at these "terrorists"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwhErv6Wujc

Those are the people that Turchinov wants to hand over to Svoboda on a silver platter. You shouldn't be supporting Kiev. You shouldn't be supporting Moscow. You shouldn't be supporting the Oligarchs. At this point, if you still give two shits about democracy, you should be supporting Federalization and amnesty. Amnesty for the brave soldiers who didn't fire at civilians. Amnesty for civilians that came out to speak with armed soldiers. Federalization, with the East as part of Ukraine, but without Western Oligarchs. That, BTW, is what has pricks like Kolomoiski and Taruta on edge, the same Kolomoisky who's a Western imposed Oligarch on Dnepropetrovsk, the same Kolomoisky who's now handing out bounties. Welcome to Russia of the 1990s, welcome to Oligarch Ukraine. Wake the fuck up people. These aren't fucking terrorists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wetleAB1XmY

Edit, another source: http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/30280.html

Oleksandr Turchynov instructed to disband the 25th airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons Acting President, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov instructed to disband the 25th airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons. "The 25th separate airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons will be disbanded and guilty servicemen will stand trial," O. Turchynov said opening the morning session of the Parliament.

Apparently not shooting at unarmed civilians = cowardice in the eyes of Kiev.

[Beta Test]

I reject the premise.

[United Marxist Nations]

Staunchly Pro-Ukraine (Russia is evil, Ukraine can do do wrong):


Generally Pro-Ukraine (mostly pro-Ukraine, but can see where the separatists are coming from:


Somewhat Pro-Ukraine (Think Russia's actions are wrong, but think Ukraine is making it worse, and see where separatists are coming from):


Ambiguous / Unbiased / Don't give a fuck:


Somewhat Pro-Separatist/Russia (Think Russia is in the right, but can see where Ukraine and Pro-Ukrainians are coming from/thinks Russia or separatists have gone too far):


Generally Pro-Separatists/Russia (Russia and the Separatists are in the right / the impeachment was illegal / Kiev government not doing enough to protect certain groups):


Staunchly Pro-Russian (Ukraine is evil, Russia can do no wrong):


Let's start assigning posters; I'd probably go in the Generally Pro-Separatist/Russia category.

[Divair2]

Staunchly Pro-Ukraine (Russia is evil, Ukraine can do do wrong):


Generally Pro-Ukraine (mostly pro-Ukraine, but can see where the separatists are coming from:


Somewhat Pro-Ukraine (Think Russia's actions are wrong, but think Ukraine is making it worse, and see where separatists are coming from):


Ambiguous / Unbiased / Don't give a fuck:


Somewhat Pro-Separatist/Russia (Think Russia is in the right, but can see where Ukraine and Pro-Ukrainians are coming from/thinks Russia or separatists have gone too far):


Generally Pro-Separatists/Russia (Russia and the Separatists are in the right / the impeachment was illegal / Kiev government not doing enough to protect certain groups):


Staunchly Pro-Russian (Ukraine is evil, Russia can do no wrong):


Let's start assigning posters; I'd probably go in the Generally Pro-Separatist/Russia category.

Let's not.

[Beta Test]

I'm in the Generally Pro-Ukraine category.

[Independent Canterbury]

Generally Pro-Ukraine.

[Costa Fierro]

I'm fucking speechless.

Good. Maybe you could use the time to find sources that aren't nationalist rags between the next time you trot out another pro-Russian tirade against the "evil Nazis" in Kiev.

Let's see how far Ukrainian defenders want to take their bullshit now.

Not very far, as it turns out. Because your source is full of unsubstantiated bullshit intended to portray Kiev as an evil oppressor of the Russian people and drive up support for a Russian intervention in eastern Ukraine. I'm not sure about you, but I don't buy that kind of crap.

[Shofercia]

I'm fucking speechless.

Good. Maybe you could use the time to find sources that aren't nationalist rags between the next time you trot out another pro-Russian tirade against the "evil Nazis" in Kiev.

Let's see how far Ukrainian defenders want to take their bullshit now.

Not very far, as it turns out. Because your source is full of unsubstantiated bullshit intended to portray Kiev as an evil oppressor of the Russian people and drive up support for a Russian intervention in eastern Ukraine. I'm not sure about you, but I don't buy that kind of crap.

Ohh you're so bad ass, why don't you actually use Google for once: http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/30280.html

Oleksandr Turchynov instructed to disband the 25th airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons Acting President, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov instructed to disband the 25th airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons. "The 25th separate airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons will be disbanded and guilty servicemen will stand trial," O. Turchynov said opening the morning session of the Parliament.

Apparently not shooting at unarmed civilians = cowardice in the eyes of Kiev. And "hurr durr it's Russian propaganda" is the best you can do?

[Geilinor]

Good. Maybe you could use the time to find sources that aren't nationalist rags between the next time you trot out another pro-Russian tirade against the "evil Nazis" in Kiev.



Not very far, as it turns out. Because your source is full of unsubstantiated bullshit intended to portray Kiev as an evil oppressor of the Russian people and drive up support for a Russian intervention in eastern Ukraine. I'm not sure about you, but I don't buy that kind of crap.

Ohh you're so bad ass, why don't you actually use Google for once: http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/30280.html

Oleksandr Turchynov instructed to disband the 25th airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons Acting President, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov instructed to disband the 25th airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons. "The 25th separate airborne brigade servicemen of which demonstrated cowardice and laid down their weapons will be disbanded and guilty servicemen will stand trial," O. Turchynov said opening the morning session of the Parliament.

Apparently not shooting at unarmed civilians = cowardice in the eyes of Kiev. And "hurr durr it's Russian propaganda" is the best you can do?

It doesn't say they refused to shoot unarmed civilians.

[Costa Fierro]

And "hurr durr it's Russian propaganda" is the best you can do?

When it makes unsubstantiated statements that are baseless, it's quite clear to anyone with half a brain what it is, Shof. These soldiers defected, something which is a big issue in the Ukrainian military at the moment. Nowhere outside of your pathetic nationalist rag mentions that they "refused to shoot at unarmed civilians".

[Oaledonia]

And "hurr durr it's Russian propaganda" is the best you can do?

When it makes unsubstantiated statements that are baseless, it's quite clear to anyone with half a brain what it is, Shof. These soldiers defected, something which is a big issue in the Ukrainian military at the moment. Nowhere outside of your pathetic nationalist rag mentions that they "refused to shoot at unarmed civilians".

Shof is the official ancient alien expert of the situation

The Ukrainian army stumbled across pro-Russian rioters, is it possible that they are really unarmed civilians!!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Geilinor]

And "hurr durr it's Russian propaganda" is the best you can do?

When it makes unsubstantiated statements that are baseless, it's quite clear to anyone with half a brain what it is, Shof. These soldiers defected, something which is a big issue in the Ukrainian military at the moment. Nowhere outside of your pathetic nationalist rag mentions that they "refused to shoot at unarmed civilians".

Apparently the armed militias are unarmed.