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Does/Do God(s) Exist?

Yes
257
41%
No
207
33%
Maybe
50
8%
I Don't Know
61
10%
I Don't Care
45
7%
 
Total votes : 620

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Postby Menassa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:59 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Vuuhn wrote:
Passover is Jewish...


Roses are red
Violets are bluish
If it weren't for Jesus
We'd all be jewish

That's trueish.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:00 pm

Menassa wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Roses are red
Violets are bluish
If it weren't for Jesus
We'd all be jewish

That's trueish.


Sorry. I could not resist. You might say the devil made me do it. :p
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Postby New Colorado Republic » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:00 pm

Menassa wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
I didn't say a word about Christians in that post.

Perhaps you are familiar with my posting history and know I dislike Christianity, or perhaps you're projecting. I certainly didn't make any blanket statement (here or elsewhere) that all Christians are evil. That was your baggage that you brought into the thread.

All Religion = Christianity
Just as
All Soda = Coca-Cola

Go read a book and retake elementary school

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:01 pm

Vuuhn wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
I wish all soda was coca-cola. Coke is awesome. Especially the kind they make for Passover with the yellow caps. I guess they do that for the Christians...


Passover is Jewish...


That's the joke.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:02 pm

There is no such thing as a civilized debate on NS....much less one over religion.
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Postby Hakio » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:03 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:There is no such thing as a civilized debate on NS....much less one over religion.

Seems to have gone well so far.
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Postby Menassa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:05 pm

New Colorado Republic wrote:
Menassa wrote:All Religion = Christianity
Just as
All Soda = Coca-Cola

Go read a book and retake elementary school

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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:05 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vuuhn wrote:
Passover is Jewish...

And upcoming.


That is why I had Passover Coke on my mind. I saw it in the store the other day.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:07 pm

New Colorado Republic wrote:
Menassa wrote:All Religion = Christianity
Just as
All Soda = Coca-Cola

Go read a book and retake elementary school


When you open your heart to Jesus, he will bless you with the power to recognize sarcasm.
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Postby Hakio » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:09 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
New Colorado Republic wrote:Go read a book and retake elementary school


When you open your heart to Jesus, he will bless you with the power to recognize sarcasm.

This is my new favorite line ever said here. :lol:
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Postby Menassa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:29 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Menassa wrote:And upcoming.


That is why I had Passover Coke on my mind. I saw it in the store the other day.

It is the creme de la creme.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:41 pm

Menassa wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
That is why I had Passover Coke on my mind. I saw it in the store the other day.

It is the creme de la creme.


I love the way it tastes, but it seems to go flat a little faster than regular Coke.
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Postby Menassa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:07 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Menassa wrote:It is the creme de la creme.


I love the way it tastes, but it seems to go flat a little faster than regular Coke.

The miracle of passover, the soda stayed bubbly for eight days.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:11 pm

Menassa wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
I love the way it tastes, but it seems to go flat a little faster than regular Coke.

The miracle of passover, the soda stayed bubbly for eight days.


That would be awesome if it did.
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Postby Reformed Revolutionary China » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:49 am

As a follower of Buddhadharma, the existence (or non-existence) of a creator is irrelevant to my decision-making.

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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:47 am

To me, the very concept of "deity" is totally unrelated to anything real.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:49 am

New Colorado Republic wrote:Religion, however, is a different matter. Religion is a label for one's beliefs, and not necessarily beliefs in god, nor does it require a god.

That said, for the sake of greater clarity, "religion" is ONE of the possible labels for one's beliefs. Not every belief is a religious one.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:13 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Menassa wrote:All Religion = Christianity
Just as
All Soda = Coca-Cola


I wish all soda was coca-cola. Coke is awesome. Especially the kind they make for Passover with the yellow caps. I guess they do that for the Christians...


Personally, I would secretly write an anathema on all soda into the canons of the Ecumenical Councils, and purge it from the lives of the devout.

But I'm a killjoy that way.


Sort of related, though... here in the Gulf, Vimto is - weirdly - the Ramadan iftar [daily fast-breaking feast] drink of choice. It's consumed in prodigious quantities during Ramadan.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:25 am

Risottia wrote:To me, the very concept of "deity" is totally unrelated to anything real.

Well depends on your concept of reality.
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Postby Estormo » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:27 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Menassa wrote:All Religion = Christianity
Just as
All Soda = Coca-Cola


I wish all soda was coca-cola. Coke is awesome. Especially the kind they make for Passover with the yellow caps. I guess they do that for the Christians...

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Postby Estormo » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:29 am

Risottia wrote:To me, the very concept of "deity" is totally unrelated to anything real.

And not everyone has to believe in what you believe.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:05 am

Estormo wrote:
Risottia wrote:To me, the very concept of "deity" is totally unrelated to anything real.

And not everyone has to believe in what you believe.

What a fatuous thing to say. Why is it when the subject turns to religion people feel the need to relentlessly point out that difference of opinion is possible, as though that were being argued?
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Postby Seriong » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:17 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Estormo wrote:And not everyone has to believe in what you believe.

What a fatuous thing to say. Why is it when the subject turns to religion people feel the need to relentlessly point out that difference of opinion is possible, as though that were being argued?

On the atheistic side:
In response to the hell argument
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In response to the "theists are insane" argument
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The Independent States wrote:Um, perhaps you haven't heard that mercury poisons people? :palm:

Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?

Drawkland wrote:I think it delegitimizes true cases of sexual assault, like real dangerous cases being dismissed, "Oh it's only sexual assault"
Like racism. If everything's "racist," then you can't tell what really is racist.

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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:20 am

Estormo wrote:
Risottia wrote:To me, the very concept of "deity" is totally unrelated to anything real.

And not everyone has to believe in what you believe.

Exactly.

It would be a bit difficult, considering how I harbour no beliefs.
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Postby Seriong » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:24 am

Risottia wrote:
Estormo wrote:And not everyone has to believe in what you believe.

Exactly.

It would be a bit difficult, considering how I harbour no beliefs.

I know you're going to play some word games, but how do you what no beliefs?
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The Independent States wrote:Um, perhaps you haven't heard that mercury poisons people? :palm:

Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?

Drawkland wrote:I think it delegitimizes true cases of sexual assault, like real dangerous cases being dismissed, "Oh it's only sexual assault"
Like racism. If everything's "racist," then you can't tell what really is racist.

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