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Does/Do God(s) Exist?

Yes
257
41%
No
207
33%
Maybe
50
8%
I Don't Know
61
10%
I Don't Care
45
7%
 
Total votes : 620

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Sun Wukong
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:04 pm

Seriong wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:1. Not good with metaphor and symbolism are you? Maybe the Bible isn't the book for you. Do you think Jesus was literally a sheep?
2. I spoke plainly, you just did address the concern. How is it fair?

1) I didn't know your humor was so dry.
2) I've already said it would be impossible to know.

Which is just a way to hand-wave away any reasonable criticism. "Oh, it doesn't make sense. Well, it's not supposed to."

Honestly, that people fall for this.
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Big Jim P
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:04 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Personally, I am talking about all of them. They are largely interchangeable.


I hope you under stand that there are countless gods that we have talked about all though out history, even the word its self have gone though multiple changes and meanings even in recent times. How ever it seems NSG, the internet and the rest of the world for that matter Christian or not, refer to God as the one in the bible, neglecting the thousands of years of history humans have had to develop the word god and all its meanings and interpenetrations (I blame the schools and parents)
So I say again before I give this thread a very long history lesson, which god are we talking about? :)


Takhisis. :p
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Vissegaard
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Postby Vissegaard » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:05 pm

Seriong wrote:God's our first attempt at an answer, it being wrong doesn't make it a lie necessarily.

God is our last answer.
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Allentyr
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:06 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
I hope you under stand that there are countless gods that we have talked about all though out history, even the word its self have gone though multiple changes and meanings even in recent times. How ever it seems NSG, the internet and the rest of the world for that matter Christian or not, refer to God as the one in the bible, neglecting the thousands of years of history humans have had to develop the word god and all its meanings and interpenetrations (I blame the schools and parents)
So I say again before I give this thread a very long history lesson, which god are we talking about? :)


Takhisis. :p


Sure you don't mean your own "god" Satan? :P
Last edited by Allentyr on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Basseemia wrote:You sound gross. Learn some hygiene.

Hey, showering is for little girls. You're not a real man until the rot on your crotch is an inch thick.

Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.

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Tyriece
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Postby Tyriece » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:09 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
I hope you under stand that there are countless gods that we have talked about all though out history, even the word its self have gone though multiple changes and meanings even in recent times. How ever it seems NSG, the internet and the rest of the world for that matter Christian or not, refer to God as the one in the bible, neglecting the thousands of years of history humans have had to develop the word god and all its meanings and interpenetrations (I blame the schools and parents)
So I say again before I give this thread a very long history lesson, which god are we talking about? :)


Takhisis. :p


Lol good book series , but I would have to say no.
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Big Jim P
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:12 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Takhisis. :p


Lol good book series , but I would have to say no.


Bane then.
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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:14 pm

Allentyr wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:If he lied, how come he could still perform the miracles?


Aside from a book thousands of years old and is possibly simply legends, do you have any proof he did such things?

"A book"
A.
ERROR:THERE WERE 4 BOOKS ON IT.

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Sun Wukong
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:15 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Allentyr wrote:
Aside from a book thousands of years old and is possibly simply legends, do you have any proof he did such things?

"A book"
A.
ERROR:THERE WERE 4 BOOKS ON IT.

A pedantic way to dodge the question. For shame.
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Allentyr
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:15 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Allentyr wrote:
Aside from a book thousands of years old and is possibly simply legends, do you have any proof he did such things?

"A book"
A.
ERROR:THERE WERE 4 BOOKS ON IT.


All mostly saying the same things, modified. Also, see how they've been modified? What makes you think the first one wasn't a complete lie?
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Sediczja wrote:
Basseemia wrote:You sound gross. Learn some hygiene.

Hey, showering is for little girls. You're not a real man until the rot on your crotch is an inch thick.

Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.

Emperial Germany wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:Would you like her to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M. in full witch attire?

Would you like me to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M in full Joker attire?

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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:17 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:"A book"
A.
ERROR:THERE WERE 4 BOOKS ON IT.

A pedantic way to dodge the question. For shame.

Yeah well, Matthew Mark Luke and John are individual books. The quar'an or however you spell it also lists it I think.

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Sun Wukong
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:18 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:A pedantic way to dodge the question. For shame.

Yeah well, Matthew Mark Luke and John are individual books. The quar'an or however you spell it also lists it I think.

You don't know what "pedantic" means, do you?
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Allentyr
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:18 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:A pedantic way to dodge the question. For shame.

Yeah well, Matthew Mark Luke and John are individual books. The quar'an or however you spell it also lists it I think.


Still, aside from said book(s), any proof he did such things?
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Blazedtown wrote:I'll spell reaganomincs in your bathroom mirror in blood, and remove minorities from from your family photo albums

Sediczja wrote:
Basseemia wrote:You sound gross. Learn some hygiene.

Hey, showering is for little girls. You're not a real man until the rot on your crotch is an inch thick.

Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.

Emperial Germany wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:Would you like her to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M. in full witch attire?

Would you like me to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M in full Joker attire?

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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:21 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:Yeah well, Matthew Mark Luke and John are individual books. The quar'an or however you spell it also lists it I think.

You don't know what "pedantic" means, do you?

Actually, no.

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Allentyr
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:22 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:You don't know what "pedantic" means, do you?

Actually, no.


It's okay, neither do I. Still, you're dodging my question.
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Blazedtown wrote:I'll spell reaganomincs in your bathroom mirror in blood, and remove minorities from from your family photo albums

Sediczja wrote:
Basseemia wrote:You sound gross. Learn some hygiene.

Hey, showering is for little girls. You're not a real man until the rot on your crotch is an inch thick.

Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.

Emperial Germany wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:Would you like her to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M. in full witch attire?

Would you like me to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M in full Joker attire?

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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:23 pm

Vissegaard wrote:
Seriong wrote:God's our first attempt at an answer, it being wrong doesn't make it a lie necessarily.

God is our last answer.

God is the worst answer!
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Allentyr
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:25 pm

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Vissegaard wrote:God is our last answer.

God is the worst answer!


Sigged. :bow:
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Blazedtown wrote:I'll spell reaganomincs in your bathroom mirror in blood, and remove minorities from from your family photo albums

Sediczja wrote:
Basseemia wrote:You sound gross. Learn some hygiene.

Hey, showering is for little girls. You're not a real man until the rot on your crotch is an inch thick.

Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.

Emperial Germany wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:Would you like her to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M. in full witch attire?

Would you like me to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M in full Joker attire?

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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:25 pm

Allentyr wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:Actually, no.


It's okay, neither do I. Still, you're dodging my question.

Your question is aside from the books you want proof, yes?
He talks to me.

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Pope Joan
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:25 pm

We are not capable of passing judgment upon the ineffable.

If we want a reductionist materialist world, we can have it, and the misery that goes with it.

But some people have the ability, perhaps inherited (Walter Burkert), to intuit things which are beyond that sphere, such as art, music, and the realm of mystery.

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http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Canopy ... 0385073054

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Allentyr
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:27 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Allentyr wrote:
It's okay, neither do I. Still, you're dodging my question.

Your question is aside from the books you want proof, yes?
He talks to me.


:O
You should see a shrink for that...
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Blazedtown wrote:I'll spell reaganomincs in your bathroom mirror in blood, and remove minorities from from your family photo albums

Sediczja wrote:
Basseemia wrote:You sound gross. Learn some hygiene.

Hey, showering is for little girls. You're not a real man until the rot on your crotch is an inch thick.

Mefpan wrote:I don't think we need a source to prove that the economy is interconnected and doesn't run on muahahahaium, the secret element that comes into existence whenever someone hatches a nefarious plan.

Emperial Germany wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:Would you like her to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M. in full witch attire?

Would you like me to show up in your bedroom at 3:00 A.M in full Joker attire?

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Monkeykind
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Postby Monkeykind » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:28 pm

Allentyr wrote:
Monkeykind wrote:Your question is aside from the books you want proof, yes?
He talks to me.


:O
You should see a shrink for that...

Hah, there's no need for that.

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Baghanathria
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Postby Baghanathria » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:29 pm

Monkeykind wrote:
Allentyr wrote:
:O
You should see a shrink for that...

Hah, there's no need for that.


Wait, who is talking to you?
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Postby Hakio » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:30 pm

Guys remember... civilized...
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Postby Baghanathria » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:30 pm

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Vissegaard wrote:God is our last answer.

God is the worst answer!


God is more like the question itself.
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Postby Hakio » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:31 pm

Baghanathria wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:God is the worst answer!


God is more like the question itself.

What does that even mean? do you know or are you just trying to confuse us?
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Postby Baghanathria » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:35 pm

Hakio wrote:
Baghanathria wrote:
God is more like the question itself.

What does that even mean? do you know or are you just trying to confuse us?


We are debating about God, basically, or not? I just played a little. How could God be an answer, (wrong or right, doesn't matter) if we can't really define 'God'? Yeah, my comment was a little off topic, but I don't wanted to confuse anyone.
I'm for regional autonomies, moderate nationalism and patriotism, euthanasia, legalization of psychedelic drugs, finnish school system, direct democracy, and european cultural revival.
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Mallorea and Riva should resign

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