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Does/Do God(s) Exist?

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No
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Maybe
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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:40 pm

Adin wrote:So if you die, you die. I would rather believe in a god and an afterlife than believe that I'm going to rot and be a corpse. My opinion people.

That's stupid.
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Sun Wukong
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:08 pm

Adin wrote:So if you die, you die. I would rather believe in a god and an afterlife than believe that I'm going to rot and be a corpse. My opinion people.

Sun Wukong wrote:
Adin wrote:I have a question for the atheists which is if there is no divine being and no afterlife then what happens after you die? Just your thoughts on this subject.

Nothing about atheism necessarily prohibits the possibility of an afterlife. There could be an afterlife and no god, just as their could be a god and no afterlife. The two things are unrelated.
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Adin
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Postby Adin » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:12 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Adin wrote:So if you die, you die. I would rather believe in a god and an afterlife than believe that I'm going to rot and be a corpse. My opinion people.

Sun Wukong wrote:Nothing about atheism necessarily prohibits the possibility of an afterlife. There could be an afterlife and no god, just as their could be a god and no afterlife. The two things are unrelated.

Excluding that ,but thanks for posting
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-The Unified Earth Governments-
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:14 pm

Adin wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:

Excluding that ,but thanks for posting

Of course you would prefer to never die, any organism should.

Aversion to death is what guarantees a species survival.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:29 pm

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Adin wrote:Excluding that ,but thanks for posting

Of course you would prefer to never die, any organism should.

Aversion to death is what guarantees a species survival.

funny thing considering we all love wiping each other out.
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Maqo
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Postby Maqo » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:44 pm

Adin wrote:So if you die, you die. I would rather believe in a god and an afterlife than believe that I'm going to rot and be a corpse. My opinion people.


I would rather believe I am rich than believe I am poor. However, my beliefs have no impact on the truth.
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-The Unified Earth Governments-
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:44 pm

Benuty wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Of course you would prefer to never die, any organism should.

Aversion to death is what guarantees a species survival.

funny thing considering we all love wiping each other out.

"Hey, it ain't me...so lets kill him guys!"

Competition also drives survival, but we don't really need that part now :P
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Bosnakia
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Postby Bosnakia » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:24 pm

I used to fear death. But if I do die the death of a Martyr or being a devote Muslim the key to paradise I shall gain. Jannah is so beautiful every one is rich the tempter is always perfect there are tall mountains. There is no wrong there are old family members there is the prophet (PBUH) Allah(SWT) Ali(as) and the other imams and all knowledge is known. Pleas don't fear death welcome it.I'm not saying kill yourself but at least respect it and be not afraid
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Frials
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Postby Frials » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:11 pm

Menassa wrote:
Frials wrote:Jesus of Nazareth was a pretty decent person. Jesus Christ however was a sociopathic massmurderer that deceived many people into believing that he, God, was loving and caring.

I don't see the difference between Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus anointed.

Jesus Christ is the same as God and Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person, a prophet and a philosopher of sorts with good morals. If God existed he would be Jesus Christ, if he doesn't he's just Jesus of Nazareth.

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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:14 pm

Frials wrote:
Menassa wrote:I don't see the difference between Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus anointed.

Jesus Christ is the same as God and Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person, a prophet and a philosopher of sorts with good morals. If God existed he would be Jesus Christ, if he doesn't he's just Jesus of Nazareth.

Pretty sure it would be possibly for God to exist and not be Jesus Christ.
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Salvageville
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Founded: Mar 25, 2014
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Postby Salvageville » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:15 pm

Oh my God, how absolute power can be denied. I emphasize that it is very easy to learn, but we think that God is omniscient, remains strong.

God they should be considered "spiritual". Science and logic can't speak.

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-The Unified Earth Governments-
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:19 pm

Salvageville wrote:Oh my God, how absolute power can be denied. I emphasize that it is very easy to learn, but we think that God is omniscient, remains strong.

God they should be considered "spiritual". Science and logic can't speak.

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The Most Important Issue Result - "Robosexual marriages are increasingly common."

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Thafoo
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Postby Thafoo » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:21 pm

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Adin wrote:Excluding that ,but thanks for posting

Of course you would prefer to never die, any organism should.

Aversion to death is what guarantees a species survival.

It's more beneficial to the species for death to exist- technological advancement would take so much longer (if it would ever advance at all) if death did not occur.

Adaptation only equips us to postpone death, not evade it. Of course, evading death is impossible no matter what tools evolution gives you.

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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:28 pm

Thafoo wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Of course you would prefer to never die, any organism should.

Aversion to death is what guarantees a species survival.

It's more beneficial to the species for death to exist- technological advancement would take so much longer (if it would ever advance at all) if death did not occur.

Adaptation only equips us to postpone death, not evade it. Of course, evading death is impossible no matter what tools evolution gives you.


I'm not aware of any definition of Aversion which means.

(Death won't happen) or anything.

I'm saying the desire to stay alive and propagate is one of the many things which drives a species to continue and exist.
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The Most Important Issue Result - "Robosexual marriages are increasingly common."

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Stovokor
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Postby Stovokor » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:33 pm

Salvageville wrote:Oh my God, how absolute power can be denied. I emphasize that it is very easy to learn, but we think that God is omniscient, remains strong.

God they should be considered "spiritual". Science and logic can't speak.


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Frials
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Postby Frials » Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:36 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Frials wrote:Jesus Christ is the same as God and Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person, a prophet and a philosopher of sorts with good morals. If God existed he would be Jesus Christ, if he doesn't he's just Jesus of Nazareth.

Pretty sure it would be possibly for God to exist and not be Jesus Christ.

If God existed, he would be Jesus Christ. If God existed, he would be Holy Spirit. If God existed, he would be God.

If God existed, he would everyone and everyone would be him according to Christianity.

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Sun Wukong
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:47 pm

Frials wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Pretty sure it would be possibly for God to exist and not be Jesus Christ.

If God existed, he would be Jesus Christ. If God existed, he would be Holy Spirit. If God existed, he would be God.

If God existed, he would everyone and everyone would be him according to Christianity.

I'm pretty sure you just confused Christianity with Hinduism.
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Frials
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Postby Frials » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:10 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Frials wrote:If God existed, he would be Jesus Christ. If God existed, he would be Holy Spirit. If God existed, he would be God.

If God existed, he would everyone and everyone would be him according to Christianity.

I'm pretty sure you just confused Christianity with Hinduism.

By 'everyone' I meant his three personas, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I'm trying really hard here since even among the Christians there's no consensus about the holy trinity.

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Postby Menassa » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:23 pm

Frials wrote:
Menassa wrote:I don't see the difference between Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus anointed.

Jesus Christ is the same as God and Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person, a prophet and a philosopher of sorts with good morals. If God existed he would be Jesus Christ, if he doesn't he's just Jesus of Nazareth.

I wonder how you figure, since the translation of Christ from the Greek christos simply means anointed one, like the Hebrew word moshiach, messiah.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:55 am

Adin wrote:So if you die, you die. I would rather believe in a god and an afterlife than believe that I'm going to rot and be a corpse. My opinion people.

That's why I believe in the Force. I will join the Cosmos Force once I die and manifest myself as a ghost.

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Postby Berdanvia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:32 am

I know this is a little of topic, but I don't get why people hate Jews so much. I get why muslims hate Jews, but other that that, I don't get why other people hate Jews.

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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:01 am

Berdanvia wrote:I know this is a little of topic, but I don't get why people hate Jews so much. I get why muslims hate Jews, but other that that, I don't get why other people hate Jews.

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Postby ThePeacekeepers » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:32 am

Berdanvia wrote:I know this is a little of topic, but I don't get why people hate Jews so much. I get why muslims hate Jews, but other that that, I don't get why other people hate Jews.


The Jews of today are not true Jews, they have mixed to much with other peoples to still be called Yahweh's chosen people. The Original tribes were not allowed to mix even amongst themselves but the Jewish people of today have mixed with all the peoples of the world and therefore are not true Jews, but a mongrel people mixed beyond recognition. I do not hate Jews but when I look at Israel today and see what they are doing to the Palestinians I can understand why they could be hated.
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Postby Vissegaard » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:58 am

ThePeacekeepers wrote:
Berdanvia wrote:I know this is a little of topic, but I don't get why people hate Jews so much. I get why muslims hate Jews, but other that that, I don't get why other people hate Jews.


The Jews of today are not true Jews, they have mixed to much with other peoples to still be called Yahweh's chosen people. The Original tribes were not allowed to mix even amongst themselves but the Jewish people of today have mixed with all the peoples of the world and therefore are not true Jews, but a mongrel people mixed beyond recognition. I do not hate Jews but when I look at Israel today and see what they are doing to the Palestinians I can understand why they could be hated.

Nonsense. It is written, that the favor of Yehowah passes on from mother´s bloodline to all offsprings.
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Postby ThePeacekeepers » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:11 am

Vissegaard wrote:
ThePeacekeepers wrote:
The Jews of today are not true Jews, they have mixed to much with other peoples to still be called Yahweh's chosen people. The Original tribes were not allowed to mix even amongst themselves but the Jewish people of today have mixed with all the peoples of the world and therefore are not true Jews, but a mongrel people mixed beyond recognition. I do not hate Jews but when I look at Israel today and see what they are doing to the Palestinians I can understand why they could be hated.

Nonsense. It is written, that the favor of Yehowah passes on from mother´s bloodline to all offsprings.


Is it not also written that the tribes were not to mix with each other or other nations? The Jews of today are not true Jews. Do the Jews of today keep the Law? Do they sacrifice for their sins? If the messiah has not come as they say then the law has not been fulfilled and therefore they are still under it for only through the Messiah can it be fulfilled. If on the other hand the Messiah did come then they do not accept him and can not achieve salvation. The Messiah did come and his Name is Yahshua the chirst and in his name only is there salvation. The Jews of today neither keep the law nor do they accept Yahshua as their savior. How can they be saved? I pray for the day that all nations will be gathered against Jerusalem as the lord said will happen Zechariah 14.

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