[ARCHIVED DEBATE] A Civilized Debate on Religion

[Hakio]

Does God exist? Also what are your opinions on religion? I believe that all sides of this debate can respect eachothers' opinions and do this in a civilized fashion. We can also talk about logical fallacies, the problem of evil, Satan, Hell and other religious topics. I am, personally, an atheist and I believe that there is no god(s) or supernatural entities of any kind. I wish for us to engage in a respectable conversation on beliefs and tradition and what value god has in our modern society.
Don't turn this into a flame war... please.

CURRENT TOPIC: AGNOSTICISM

[Ostroeuropa]

All gods can be rendered mundane, tautologous, or impossible.
So either your god doesn't exist, or it isn't a god.

[Sun Wukong]

There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

[Deusaeuri]

Does God exist?

What is God?

[Ostroeuropa]

There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Hence my claim that all gods can be shown to be mundane, impossible, or tautologous.
I've never seen a definition of god that doesn't fall under these.

[Ifreann]

Don't turn this into a flame war... please.

Well after you went to such lengths to make a good thread how could we possibly be anything but respectful?

[Hakio]

There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?

[Nua Corda]

Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

[Ostroeuropa]

There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?

It's not up to the atheists and skeptics to define god. It's the people proposing it who should define it.

[Sun Wukong]

There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?

By all means. Define "God."

[Hakio]

Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.

[Bezombia]

Because these threads always go well and never get locked.

[Nua Corda]

Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?

It's not up to the atheists and skeptics to define god.

I'm both, and I'll happily define it: god is a teapot orbiting the sun.

[Ostroeuropa]

Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.

The OP is a little sparse. It could do with buffing out to avoid a lock.

[Sun Wukong]

There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Hence my claim that all gods can be shown to be mundane, impossible, or tautologous.
I've never seen a definition of god that doesn't fall under these.

In fairness, a mundane god could be said to exist. It just doesn't really matter.

[Diopolis]

Does God exist? Also what are your opinions on religion?
Don't turn this into a flame war... please.

I like religion and believe in God. What's your opinion?

[Ostroeuropa]

Hence my claim that all gods can be shown to be mundane, impossible, or tautologous.
I've never seen a definition of god that doesn't fall under these.

In fairness, a mundane god could be said to exist. It just doesn't really matter.

Sure. But at that point i'll say the defined god is so radically different to typical definitions that it's only a nominal exception to the overall stance that god doesn't exist.

[Greater-London]

Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.

You cant talk about 'God' and 'Spirituality' within a scientific logical framework as they are so far removed from one and other.

[Nua Corda]

Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.

It has no substance, no opinion from the OP, a tiny-ass OP, and is quickly becoming spam.

Because these threads always go well and never get locked.

Well hello old chap, wasn't aware you could into general.

[Sun Wukong]

Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.

I think the rule of thumbs is that you should state your own opinion in the OP. So you might want to edit your post to include that.

Otherwise, it's a little short, but probably as direct as anything could be.

[Bezombia]

Well hello old chap, wasn't aware you could into general.

I do from time to time.

[The IASM]

Maybe, maybe not.

[Ostroeuropa]

Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.

Absolute power is an impossibility by it's nature. You don't need science to disprove it. Just logic. The absolute power god is one of those that can be shown to be impossible, and hence not exist.

[The IASM]

Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.

Absolute power is an impossibility by it's nature. You don't need science to disprove it. Just logic. The absolute power god is one of those that can be shown to be impossible, and hence not exist.

What about nigh absolute power?

[Sun Wukong]

Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.

This is true only if we assume said deity is very shy, and does not want to be found. Otherwise, an omnipotent god could, by definition, grant proof of it's existence satisfactory to everyone.