The Republican Path To Victory II

[Ashmoria]

This was kinda from earlier in the thread.

they pass laws like that one in Arizona where if you look illegal you can be forced to produce papers to prove you are a legal resident.

And how do they determine who "looks" illegal? The law specifically prohibits law enforcement from racially profiling. They can use other evidence, such as maybe the person they suspect of being an illegal immigrant doesn't speak English, or they look really dusty and dirty (like maybe they had been walking through the desert), or they have no form of identification on them whatsoever.

or are wearing Mexican shoes...

[Belmaria]

Libertarians are non-interventionist meaning that they want USA to be like Switzerland. And well if Rand is elected then if he is an isolationist...mehh.

Switzerland is amazing and you know it

[Keyboard Warriors]

Libertarians are non-interventionist meaning that they want USA to be like Switzerland. And well if Rand is elected then if he is an isolationist...mehh.

Not particularly like Switzerland, just not as willing to directly intervene in foreign affairs as most post WW2 presidents have been.

[Estormo]

That "Rubio" bloke sounds promising.

So do you believe that Marco Rubio is part of a Republican Path to Victory? If you do, why?

He seems rational, and I see him as someone who can handle bad situations with calm calculation.

[Ashmoria]

The only republican nominee I even respect just a little right now is Ron Paul. Because at least he does something different than the rest. I'll tell you in a Republican debate, that idiot Ron Paul totally sounds like the smartest guy in the room.

you must be so sad now that he is retired from politics.

[Estormo]

Libertarians are non-interventionist meaning that they want USA to be like Switzerland. And well if Rand is elected then if he is an isolationist...mehh.

Switzerland is amazing and you know it

So much rifles, not quite a bad thing.

[Wickedly evil people]

Economically their message is much more viable than the tax everyone until they have nothing message of the Obamacrats.


That said GOP views on social issues and the like need to be buried, they need to take a considerably more Libertarian view.


Then they need to blast the Obamacrats for the Orwellian society they're building in the name of security, it is indefensible in a free society to have a government that is all intrusive, between the NSA and IRS scandals no one should every vote Obamacratic ever again.

[Belmaria]

Switzerland is amazing and you know it

So much rifles, not quite a bad thing.

And a bomb shelter under practically every home. I wouldn't want to mess with the Swiss any time soon.

[Ashmoria]

Economically their message is much more viable than the tax everyone until they have nothing message of the Obamacrats.


That said GOP views on social issues and the like need to be buried, they need to take a considerably more Libertarian view.


Then they need to blast the Obamacrats for the Orwellian society they're building in the name of security, it is indefensible in a free society to have a government that is all intrusive, between the NSA and IRS scandals no one should every vote Obamacratic ever again.

really?

isn't their economic message "cut taxes for the rich and fuck everyone else with austerity"?

[Belmaria]

Economically their message is much more viable than the tax everyone until they have nothing message of the Obamacrats.


That said GOP views on social issues and the like need to be buried, they need to take a considerably more Libertarian view.


Then they need to blast the Obamacrats for the Orwellian society they're building in the name of security, it is indefensible in a free society to have a government that is all intrusive, between the NSA and IRS scandals no one should every vote Obamacratic ever again.

really?

isn't their economic message "cut taxes for the rich and fuck everyone else with austerity"?

You are confusing Neo-cons with the entire GOP. The more libertarian-leaning Republicans like Ron/Rand/Cruz want to cut taxes across the board.

[Ashmoria]

really?

isn't their economic message "cut taxes for the rich and fuck everyone else with austerity"?

You are confusing Neo-cons with the entire GOP. The more libertarian-leaning Republicans like Ron/Rand/Cruz want to cut taxes across the board.

no im going with the congressional republicans. they keep trying to cut stuff that helps middle America--unemployment benefits, food stamps, infrastructure spending, education spending. all while proposing tax cuts that cut the upper rates while keeping the total amount of tax collected the same.

[Belmaria]

You are confusing Neo-cons with the entire GOP. The more libertarian-leaning Republicans like Ron/Rand/Cruz want to cut taxes across the board.

no im going with the congressional republicans. they keep trying to cut stuff that helps middle America--unemployment benefits, food stamps, infrastructure spending, education spending. all while proposing tax cuts that cut the upper rates while keeping the total amount of tax collected the same.

Establishment Republicans, yes. But all Republicans? No. Not by a long shot.

Also, how do the middle class and poor benefit from increased federal education spending? The USA already spends more on education than many other, more educated nations, yet we lag behind them. There is obviously waste in the system and just throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it.

[Myrensis]

What I want is no different from an ethnic Jew wishing to migrate to Israel to be among their own kind. It is less about fear of non-Whites as it is my desire to be with my people. But please, do go on about how much of a despicable person I am for wanting to bask in my ancestral heritage and continue it.

There is a difference actually. That being that "Jew" is actually a distinct ethnoreligious group. "White" is not. Didn't you say that Iceland was one of your top picks to escape the sea of brown, even though you have absolutely no cultural, linguistic, or historical ties to it? "Skin color" is not an ancestral heritage, and the only thing you'll be basking in is blank stares and sighs of "Dumb Americans" as you running around blithering (in English) about "MY PEOPLE!!".

You have far more in common with brown Americans than you do with lily-white Icelanders.

Economically their message is much more viable than the tax everyone until they have nothing message of the Obamacrats.

Maybe if we lived in an alternate reality where Free Market Jesus guides things for the betterment of mankind with his Invisible Hands. There is more to economics than taxes, and a lot of people don't find the GOP message of "Gut social safety, gut regulation, gut protections for workers, gut benefits, gut wages, then sit back and watch as the inherent benevolence of the Job Creators leads us to Utopia" all that viable.

Then they need to blast the Obamacrats for the Orwellian society they're building in the name of security, it is indefensible in a free society to have a government that is all intrusive, between the NSA and IRS scandals no one should every vote Obamacratic ever again.

Won't happen. The whole "tough on crime" "tough on terror" "those who have nothing to fear have nothing to hide" cowardice is far too ingrained in the GOP. There's a reason why the actual "scandal on a silver platter" things like the NSA and Drones have been largely ignored by the GOP, while they continue endlessly bitching and moaning about Bhengazi and the IRS being slow with paperwork.

[Ashmoria]

no im going with the congressional republicans. they keep trying to cut stuff that helps middle America--unemployment benefits, food stamps, infrastructure spending, education spending. all while proposing tax cuts that cut the upper rates while keeping the total amount of tax collected the same.

Establishment Republicans, yes. But all Republicans? No. Not by a long shot.

Also, how do the middle class and poor benefit from increased federal education spending? The USA already spends more on education than many other, more educated nations, yet we lag behind them. There is obviously waste in the system and just throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it.

uhhuh

establishment republicans and those who vote for them are all im really interested in.

if you remove federal education spending then local property taxes will have to go up in order to make up that money or lots of people will have to be laid off, also bad for middle income people.

[Belmaria]

Establishment Republicans, yes. But all Republicans? No. Not by a long shot.

Also, how do the middle class and poor benefit from increased federal education spending? The USA already spends more on education than many other, more educated nations, yet we lag behind them. There is obviously waste in the system and just throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it.

uhhuh

establishment republicans and those who vote for them are all im really interested in.

if you remove federal education spending then local property taxes will have to go up in order to make up that money or lots of people will have to be laid off, also bad for middle income people.

Not necessarily. State income taxes could be modestly hiked to compensate for the cut in federal spending.

And if you are only concerned with one particular group in a huge party, you're making a big mistake. The establishment Neo-cons are a dying breed and the new libertarian and liberal-leaning Republicans that are taking over the party are very, very different.

[Ashmoria]

uhhuh

establishment republicans and those who vote for them are all im really interested in.

if you remove federal education spending then local property taxes will have to go up in order to make up that money or lots of people will have to be laid off, also bad for middle income people.

Not necessarily. State income taxes could be modestly hiked to compensate for the cut in federal spending.

And if you are only concerned with one particular group in a huge party, you're making a big mistake. The establishment Neo-cons are a dying breed and the new libertarian and liberal-leaning Republicans that are taking over the party are very, very different.

we'll see if the libertarians can do anything more than go along to get along and just talk about the rest of it.

[Saiwania]

You have far more in common with brown Americans than you do with lily-white Icelanders.

No, I actually do not; and I know enough about non-Whites to know that I don't want to live next to them. Even my Vietnamese friend from high school can understand wanting to stick to your own kind. Why else do you think there are Chinatowns or other ethnic enclaves in every major city? Do you know what other location I've been considering as a close second? Argentina. That would probably be easier for me to move to, given that it has a lower cost of living and a warm climate.

By the way, I've read that as the Democrats appeal to minorities, they are losing White voters. Only 38% of the White electorate voted Democrat in 2010. I expect that in the long term White liberals will be inclined to switch to Republican if not Independent. If the GOP can capture more White votes, it would pay off for 1 or 2 more election cycles at most before being too late in that Whites will be too small of a group to matter.

[The Black Forrest]

its the lies.

foxnews is the only channel that I have seen cause people to break into spontaneous rants in public.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. All news is biased to a certain degree, and Fox News just happens to be the only cable news channel with a conservative slant. So I find it amusing when die-hard MSNBC fans attack Fox News, and blind themselves to their own hypocrisy.

Are you assuming people how attack Fox News are MSNBC fans?

[The Black Forrest]

that wouldn't be very republican.

that's why it would be better to stop advocating those things that drive Hispanics away, like demonizing immigration reform.

Immigration reform is fine. But we should also secure the border which is something Dems haven't even considered.

Secure the border? The darkies are terrorists?

[The Black Forrest]

there is no sense debating foxnews in a thread that isn't about foxnews.

Yet somehow it manages to get brought up.

Well when you debate Republicans or their "plans." It is usually there spewing nonsense in support of the plans.

[Viritica]

Immigration reform is fine. But we should also secure the border which is something Dems haven't even considered.

Secure the border? The darkies are terrorists?

Make it so they can't just hop over all whilly billy.

[Viritica]

Yet somehow it manages to get brought up.

Well when you debate Republicans or their "plans." It is usually there spewing nonsense in support of the plans.

So you say.

[The Black Forrest]

[nation][/nation]

Abandon ship yet?

Well, they don't lie. But they put the truth on a biased perspective.

Indeed. Fair and Balanced after all. Problem is they regurgitate the same discredited nonsense to fit the agenda. Point Oreily interviewed General Clark twice during the Hadita affair. One question was about how Americans massacred Germans at Malmandy. Clark corrected him. Next interview the same question came up again and again Clark corrected him. Fox even had it on their web site until the second time and corrected it without a retraction.

[The Black Forrest]

Secure the border? The darkies are terrorists?

Make it so they can't just hop over all whilly billy.

Like the Canadian borders or the water based ones eh?

[The Black Forrest]

Libertarians are non-interventionist meaning that they want USA to be like Switzerland. And well if Rand is elected then if he is an isolationist...mehh.

Switzerland is a mindset the US could never achieve.