The Republican Path To Victory II

[Oil exporting People]

No, that doesn't show it remaining relevant.

It shows it keeping the House due to gerrymandering.

However, even this is a holding pattern. It won't get them the Senate, it won't get them the Presidency, and it won't get them governorships. This means that if they're going to do anything but block legislation, if they're going to be relevant enough to make policy, then something needs to change.

So holding onto the House does not make one's party relevant?

But keeping it all the same.

They will still get Senate positions and Governorships (Look at Utah's demographics, for instance), and the Presidency too once the Dems grow stale from being in the Oval office for too long.

I don't about you, but I don't think any political party would want to "change" from being able set policy.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, that doesn't show it remaining relevant.

It shows it keeping the House due to gerrymandering.

However, even this is a holding pattern. It won't get them the Senate, it won't get them the Presidency, and it won't get them governorships. This means that if they're going to do anything but block legislation, if they're going to be relevant enough to make policy, then something needs to change.

So holding onto the House does not make one's party relevant?

But keeping it all the same.

They will still get Senate positions and Governorships (Look at Utah's demographics, for instance), and the Presidency too once the Dems grow stale from being in the Oval office for too long.

I don't about you, but I don't think any political party would want to "change" from being able set policy.

Yes, they will get Senate seats, but not a majority on the current path.

Yes, they will get governorships, but not a majority on the current path.

Yes, they will win the Presidency again, but if they don't change, it will be many more years in the wilderness before that's a likelihood.

[Viritica]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Ron Paul 2016.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

Putting a Cuban-Canadian up there as an example of how the GOP accepts Latino members would be the worst sort of pandering.

[Mike the Progressive]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

Putting a Cuban-Canadian up there as an example of how the GOP accepts Latino members would be the worst sort of pandering.

So is "reviewing" the deportation process of illegal immigrants, pushing for a "living wage", and proposing a liberal's wet-dream of a federal budget that has no chance of going anywhere... during a midterm year. Yet, lo and behold...

As to your earlier comment, they already hold the majority of governorships.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Putting a Cuban-Canadian up there as an example of how the GOP accepts Latino members would be the worst sort of pandering.

So is "reviewing" the deportation process of illegal immigrants, pushing for a "living wage", and proposing a liberal's wet-dream of a federal budget that has no chance of going anywhere... during a midterm year. Yet, lo and behold...

As to your earlier comment, they already hold the majority of governorships.

Reviewing the deportation process is bullshit, no doubt. The living wage and federal budget are targeted towards an oft-ignored and marginalized base, and aren't race-specific. You're comparing apples and tractors.

EDIT: And as bullshit as it may be, at least the deportation process review is something that actually applies to the experiences of the majority of Latinos in this country, or their immediate ancestors. Not so much the Cuban immigration experience, which is one where people are welcomed with open arms rather than barbed wire and the constant threat of deportation.

[Jinos]

At this point, I don't believe there is a GOP path to victory. The GOP is moving too fast with too much momentum in the direction they are going, and the direction they are going is a big ass cliff. I don't really think the GOP CAN change at this point, they're just too wrapped up in the ideology to see that America is rapidly changing and they are being left behind; after all, if this were 1859 what would you say would be the Whig path to victory? There wouldn't be one because the Whigs just weren't going to stay relevant on anti-industrial ideals. The GOP voter base is dying and they have severely lost this generation's young.

[The Black Forrest]

Ron Paul 2016.

For shame.

Ok. Stand right there. This is going to hurt a bit.

*readies the trout*

[The Black Forrest]

Putting a Cuban-Canadian up there as an example of how the GOP accepts Latino members would be the worst sort of pandering.

So is "reviewing" the deportation process of illegal immigrants, pushing for a "living wage", and proposing a liberal's wet-dream of a federal budget that has no chance of going anywhere... during a midterm year. Yet, lo and behold...

As to your earlier comment, they already hold the majority of governorships.

*shrugs* Still better then "hey look at this brownish guy, we aren't the party of old wealthy white guys!!!!!"

[Mike the Progressive]

So is "reviewing" the deportation process of illegal immigrants, pushing for a "living wage", and proposing a liberal's wet-dream of a federal budget that has no chance of going anywhere... during a midterm year. Yet, lo and behold...

As to your earlier comment, they already hold the majority of governorships.

*shrugs* Still better then "hey look at this brownish guy, we aren't the party of old wealthy white guys!!!!!"

To clarify, I don't think there is anything wrong with it (except, I wish he would have started earlier). The president is playing the game and you have to do that to win. I just think pandering is part of politics, whether it be Republicans or the Democrats.

[Saiwania]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

All that particular criticism tells me is that Whites shouldn't have a place in government or at the least have a substantially reduced role going forward, which is it? What percentage of Democratic politicians are non-White in comparison? It is basically saying that the GOP should intentionally put forward non-White candidates on the assumption that non-Whites are going to vote Republican based on that.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

All that particular criticism tells me is that Whites shouldn't have a place in government or at the least have a substantially reduced role going forward, which is it? What percentage of Democratic politicians are non-White in comparison? It is basically saying that the GOP should intentionally put forward non-White candidates on the assumption that non-Whites are going to vote Republican based on that.

Seriously? That's what you're getting from this?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Ron Paul 2016.

For shame.

Ok. Stand right there. This is going to hurt a bit.

*readies the trout*

Awww.

[Nervium]

Kick out the Tea Party caucus and become a liberal party. *nods*

[European Socialist Republic]

They obviously need to move further to the right.

[Myrensis]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

People are well aware of Republican token minorities, as every time they can find one they parade them around any chance they get. Though their hurt and confused expressions are always priceless when it doesn't bring minorities flooding into the fold of the party. Republicans have a great deal of difficulty wrapping their heads around the idea that minorities could possibly base voting decisions on anything more complicated than, "Him same color me, me vote him now!".

Marco Rubio is totally going to bring Hispanic voters to the GOP in droves. Just like Herman Cain would totally have yanked the black vote out from under the Democrats.

All that particular criticism tells me is that Whites shouldn't have a place in government or at the least have a substantially reduced role going forward, which is it? What percentage of Democratic politicians are non-White in comparison? It is basically saying that the GOP should intentionally put forward non-White candidates on the assumption that non-Whites are going to vote Republican based on that.

Seriously? That's what you're getting from this?

It's Saiwania, he's all ready acknowledged that he's so terrified of brown people that he plans to flee the country the minute whites are no longer an absolute majority.

[Ashmoria]

republicans suck as a presidential party but they can easily take over the entire legislative branch this November because democrats are too chickenshit to vigorously defend obamacare. without a defense of obamacare all the vulnerable democrats will lose.

and the republican party will not die because of ballot access. even if everyone got sensible and stopped voting for candidates who say they are for "jobs jobs jobs" but never even introduce a single jobs bill, there will still need to be a way for new up-and-coming democrats to jump the line to be on the ballot. that way is by declaring themselves to be republicans so they can get on the ballot. this is how Susana Martinez, current governor of new mexico, became a republican and district attorney of her county.

[Ashmoria]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

and how can that be done when the tea party base has decided that Rubio is a sell out on immigration?

[Viritica]

Make Marco Rubio a presidential candidate so we can stop all this nonsense that the entire GOP is old, rich white guys.

People are well aware of Republican token minorities, as every time they can find one they parade them around any chance they get. Though their hurt and confused expressions are always priceless when it doesn't bring minorities flooding into the fold of the party. Republicans have a great deal of difficulty wrapping their heads around the idea that minorities could possibly base voting decisions on anything more complicated than, "Him same color me, me vote him now!".

Marco Rubio is totally going to bring Hispanic voters to the GOP in droves. Just like Herman Cain would totally have yanked the black vote out from under the Democrats.

Seriously? That's what you're getting from this?

It's Saiwania, he's all ready acknowledged that he's so terrified of brown people that he plans to flee the country the minute whites are no longer an absolute majority.

That's simply because a lot of Latinos look at the GOP as the evil racist party that wants to deport them. Hell, I've even come across Puerto Ricans who feared Mitt Romney being elected because they thought he was going to ruin their lives. They planned on moving back to Puerto Rico if he was elected. It's ridiculous, it truly is.

The Dems always know how to play the victim card. "Oh, blacks are being discriminated against. Oh, Latinos are being discriminated against. Oh, albino midgets are being discriminated against."

Still, I do think a Latino candidate would help the GOP out a lot.

[Belmaria]

The GOP is a corrupt dinosaur teetering on its last leg. We need to end it, not mend it. It's time for a new party.

[Divair]

The original thread, which died a natural death, was briefly revived, and then was locked for gravedigging despite once again inspiring a lively and informative conversation.

We're not just talking about the Senate race here, or the House. We're not just talking about the Presidency, either.

The fact is that despite things looking decent for the GOP in the Senate race (though perhaps not quite as rosy as Karl Rove would have us believe), the Republican Party is facing a major crisis. Shifting demographics show that the socially conservative anti-marriage equality message is getting practically no play among younger voters, and an increasing Latino population in the United States is somewhat cool to the hard line that many insist on taking when it comes to immigration.

Therefore, the question is this: while they look poised to pick up a few Senate seats this November, it's beginning to appear as if that's going to be it for a while. There have been no especially engaging or popular economic ideas coming from the GOP, none regarding education, none regarding healthcare. They can only ride Obama fatigue for so long before they're going to have to come up with some appealing ideas on their own, or they're going to become increasingly irrelevant as a political force with every passing election cycle.

So, the question is this: in the face of a society that is becoming increasingly pluralistic and tolerant, what is the best route for the GOP to take towards electoral victories and continued relevance in the future?

Evacuate to Alaska and declare independence.

[Estormo]

Better Republican than Democrat. If America elects Hillary...just.....



Lol.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Better Republican than Democrat. If America elects Hillary...just.....



Lol.

What's wrong with Hillary?

[Estormo]

Better Republican than Democrat. If America elects Hillary...just.....



Lol.

What's wrong with Hillary?

Just about...everything.