Putin Annexes More Land!

[United Marxist Nations]

But you also have to realize that the days where the Great Powers went to war are pretty much over.

But, politically, each one is still trying to outdo the others. Which is to say that it's unfair to compare Russia to a third world nation, when in reality it should be compared to the other world powers.

Well, in that case, I still fail to see how this is going to strain their navy; it's not like anyone is going to be contesting them.

[The North Polish Union]

Well, if Russia wants to be considered a "Great Power" itself, its pretty reasonable, otherwise...

But you also have to realize that the days where the Great Powers went to war are pretty much over.

So Russia doesn't need to maintain a navy that can compete with them? That's a pretty bad idea, especially considering that, of the Great Powers, the US in particular has a habit of taking military action against nations whose policies they disagree with (as a side note, so does Russia) and China seems like it could be becoming increasingly irredentist with its claims to tiny islands in the China Sea.

[United Marxist Nations]

Which Russia also has.

You also need to bypass the crazy SAMs and CIWS that any navy is bound to have

Which is to say that Russia would be on equal footing in that aspect, so there was no point in bringing it up.

[United Marxist Nations]

But you also have to realize that the days where the Great Powers went to war are pretty much over.

So Russia doesn't need to maintain a navy that can compete with them? That's a pretty bad idea, especially considering that, of the Great Powers, the US in particular has a habit of taking military action against nations whose policies they disagree with (as a side note, so does Russia) and China seems like it could be becoming increasingly irredentist with its claims to tiny islands in the China Sea.

I never said that, I just said that it's silly to say that its navy is completely shitty, especially since it's trying to modernize, and build more ships.

[Sau Beiu]

As a Merman, I am terrified.

[Oaledonia]

Which is to say that Russia would be on equal footing in that aspect, so there was no point in bringing it up.

It's not though. They don't have nearly the level of launchers or CIWS as other nations, which makes their average sized stockpile moot.

[Charleston Chiefs]

USS Halibut knew those waters well.

[Oaledonia]

completely shitty

Please, quote me on this. I said shitty, not completely shitty.

[United Marxist Nations]

Which is to say that Russia would be on equal footing in that aspect, so there was no point in bringing it up.

It's not though. They don't have nearly the level of launchers or CIWS as other nations, which makes their average sized stockpile moot.

Uh, all their surface ships have them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-630

[United Marxist Nations]

completely shitty

Please, quote me on this. I said shitty, not completely shitty.

That you thought having some sea to patrol would somehow strain them (from what, whale attacks?), it was implied.

[Oaledonia]

It's not though. They don't have nearly the level of launchers or CIWS as other nations, which makes their average sized stockpile moot.

Uh, all their surface ships have them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-630

Uh, so do the other powers.

Most of their ships are corvettes; which have a drastic decrease in the amount of stress they can put on the keel of the ship. So, they might have one or two, with six launchers. Then, a happy little destroyer comes along and decides to let loose all 90 of it's VLS tubes.

[Oaledonia]

That you thought having some sea to patrol would somehow strain them (from what, whale attacks?), it was implied.

More area = wider patrol string = larger strain

[United Marxist Nations]

Uh, all their surface ships have them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-630

Uh, so do the other powers.

Most of their ships are corvettes; which have a drastic decrease in the amount of stress they can put on the keel of the ship. So, they might have one or two, with six launchers. Then, a happy little destroyer comes along and decides to let loose all 90 of it's VLS tubes.

Fair enough then.

Kirov and Admiral Kutenesov, as well as their destroyers would probably fair better though.

[United Marxist Nations]

That you thought having some sea to patrol would somehow strain them (from what, whale attacks?), it was implied.

More area = wider patrol string = larger strain

What would they be patrolling it from, the Russian navy doesn't have much tradition of patrolling, but more of a fleet-in-being type of thing.

[Oaledonia]

Kirov and Admiral Kutenesov, as well as their destroyers would probably fair better though.

Russia really needs to focus on cruisers and destroyers. Though, in their defense: even in the cold war Russia didn't need a big navy like the US. They could just roll through eastern Europe to the battle, while the US needed to ship troops there. They have a good navy for it's objective, occupy the other navy until they won on land.

More area = wider patrol string = larger strain

What would they be patrolling it from, the Russian navy doesn't have much tradition of patrolling, but more of a fleet-in-being type of thing.

That's just it; you never know. Politically, Russia would be better off if it could patrol it's seas better

[United Marxist Nations]

Kirov and Admiral Kutenesov, as well as their destroyers would probably fair better though.

Russia really needs to focus on cruisers and destroyers. Though, in their defense: even in the cold war Russia didn't need a big navy like the US. They could just roll through eastern Europe to the battle, while the US needed to ship troops there. They have a good navy for it's objective, occupy the other navy until they won on land.

What would they be patrolling it from, the Russian navy doesn't have much tradition of patrolling, but more of a fleet-in-being type of thing.

That's just it; you never know. Politically, Russia would be better off if it could patrol it's seas better

Precisely, they knew they couldn't win in any decisive naval engagement (if they planned to get into one, it would have to be strongly supported by their air force), so they just stayed in harbor, which would force the other navy to just sit out there, and be ready if they tried something, which diverts resources pretty well.

[Shofercia]

USS Halibut knew those waters well.

The most delicious navy vessel out there

Anyways, about navies: the Russians view subs are superior to destroyers. The French and British emphasize destroyers. So it's about preferences. If you believe that subs are superior, you'd rank Russia's Navy 2nd. If you believe that destroyers are superior, you'd rank UK/French Navy 2nd.

[AiliailiA]

Thread title isn't very accurate: that's not land.

Unfortunately you can't use tiny text in thread titles or else:

Putin Annexes Entire CONTINENTal shelf!

[Oaledonia]

Anyways, about navies: the Russians view subs are superior to destroyers. The French and British emphasize destroyers. So it's about preferences. If you believe that subs are superior, you'd rank Russia's Navy 2nd. If you believe that destroyers are superior, you'd rank US/French Navy 2nd.

Fair point, but Macross Missile Spam is simply superior

[Shofercia]

Anyways, about navies: the Russians view subs are superior to destroyers. The French and British emphasize destroyers. So it's about preferences. If you believe that subs are superior, you'd rank Russia's Navy 2nd. If you believe that destroyers are superior, you'd rank US/French Navy 2nd.

Fair point, but Macross Missile Spam is simply superior

Do'h, that should say UK, not US. US is first, but context makes it obvious

[Arumdaum]

Is this going to make it easier for Russia to give back some of the Kuril Islands, which Russia seems to have been planning with Japan last year?

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Expect McCain and Nuland to hand out biscuits to the rebellious fish any second now.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Is this going to make it easier for Russia to give back some of the Kuril Islands, which Russia seems to have been planning with Japan last year?

All of them? the idea of splinting them was thrown around, but Japan declined. I can't imagine Japan being given all of them.

[Risottia]

So, NSG, thoughts?

Cue more bitching against Russia. Especially in the Arctic Ocean.

[Risottia]

That's just it; you never know. Politically, Russia would be better off if it could patrol it's seas better

Russia can patrol its seas quite well. Only they don't do it with surface vessels. They use mostly airborne reconnaissance (mostly carried out by Tu-95/142 and Il-38), satellite reconnaissance, and, should the need arise, lots of anti-ship airborne-launched missiles (from Tu-95, Il-38, Su-27 and variants, Tu-22M mostly).

Their doctrine about sea warfare is focused interdiction, not overall superiority.