Same-sex couples Co-adoption : Portuguese Parliament says NO

[Desperate Measures]

Why does it being natural matter?

Um, because if the evolutionists are correct, there is only one natural way for humans to reproduce outside of a lab, the later be artificial. So unless that prehistorical society had some frozen sperm hanging around in their caves, I don't believe there is any natural way for gays to reproduce outside of a modern society. So I think it matters a lot.

Gay's had a perfectly easy way to reproduce since the dawn of mankind. They just point their penis in a more vaginal direction. It's easy. Though might not be enjoyable for any involved.

[Hurdegaryp]

Um, because if the evolutionists are correct, there is only one natural way for humans to reproduce outside of a lab, the later be artificial. So unless that prehistorical society had some frozen sperm hanging around in their caves, I don't believe there is any natural way for gays to reproduce outside of a modern society. So I think it matters a lot.

I know where babies come from, thanks. You still haven't explained why it matters whether it's natural or not.

Biologists have observed homosexuality in over thousand species. Homophobia, however, can only be observed in one species. So it seems as if homosexuality is actually a naturally occurring phenomenon, whereas homophobia is an artificial form of malevolence.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Couldn't resist.

Every time I see his name, I imagine a raspberry with a moustache and a sombrero.

(I pronounce it Mex Berry because the English short a is unnatural to me. )

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

[Vuuhn]

Couldn't resist.

Every time I see his name, I imagine a raspberry with a moustache and a sombrero.

(I pronounce it Mex Berry because the English short a is unnatural to me. )

lol.

[Thafoo]

I know where babies come from, thanks. You still haven't explained why it matters whether it's natural or not.

Biologists have observed homosexuality in over thousand species. Homophobia, however, can only be observed in one species. So it seems as if homosexuality is actually a naturally occurring phenomenon, whereas homophobia is an artificial form of malevolence.

Our species: "Oh, you're an African-American who also is bisexual? Get the fuck out of here, disgusting individual."
Other species: "You're a kangaroo, too? Sweet, let's fuck!"

[Desperate Measures]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

I don't think anything you've said here is correct.

[Vuuhn]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

An intelligent rant? Wow, give the guy a gold star.

[Thafoo]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

We don't fuck women... because that's not how we were born. We only find hetero sex disgusting because that's how our sexual orientation is.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

If the very of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

You didn't went full potato, you went an entire cassava. -_-

Do you realize this is about a bi guy/girl having a natural kid, then marrying again, then the other biological parent of the kid dying or disappearing or going arrested and then the stepparent manage to get all full legal rights it might need as a parent in the case of emergencies, courts and whatnot, right?

[Big Jim P]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

What of the emotional cost paid by a child raised in an abusive hetero household? What of those raised without ever having been adopted?

Sorry, but the well being of an innocent child trumps the bigotry of those who oppose same-sex adoptions.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

We don't fuck women... because that's not how we were born. We only find hetero sex disgusting because that's how our sexual orientation is.

So why should children have to pay for your misguided sexual orientation ?

[Hurdegaryp]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Does it take practice to fail to make any sense or were you born that way? You might consider proofreading what you write before you proof beyond a doubt to us all your utter and complete ignorance. Your statements are utterly ridiculous, since you clearly pulled several things out of thin air and pretend they are facts.

Does Lyassa and Nairoa make any sense? No, he doesn't.

[Thafoo]

We don't fuck women... because that's not how we were born. We only find hetero sex disgusting because that's how our sexual orientation is.

So why should children have to pay for your misguided sexual orientation ?

Children are just as good (or, in many cases, even /better off/) with homosexual parents. They're more gender flexible and mentally stable, too.

Children will only keep being teased for having homosexual parents just as long as you lot keep making us out to be monsters.

[Vashta Nerada]

Um, because if the evolutionists are correct, there is only one natural way for humans to reproduce outside of a lab, the later be artificial. So unless that prehistorical society had some frozen sperm hanging around in their caves, I don't believe there is any natural way for gays to reproduce outside of a modern society. So I think it matters a lot.

Gay's had a perfectly easy way to reproduce since the dawn of mankind. They just point their penis in a more vaginal direction. It's easy. Though might not be enjoyable for any involved.

And why would a woman, and society for that matter, allow another man in a prehistoric society, to have sex with her, carry his kid, and then hand that kid over to him to be raised by two men in a time where 99.9% of people believed that families could only be successful with a man and a woman? And if archaeological evidence is anything to go by, why would that same woman allow a precious commodity such as her people's future heirs, be handed over to someone they would view as strange and contrary to their society's culture and beliefs?

[Desperate Measures]

We don't fuck women... because that's not how we were born. We only find hetero sex disgusting because that's how our sexual orientation is.

So why should children have to pay for your misguided sexual orientation ?

Because it's so inexpensive!

[Wisconsin9]

We don't fuck women... because that's not how we were born. We only find hetero sex disgusting because that's how our sexual orientation is.

So why should children have to pay for your misguided sexual orientation ?

How the hell are they paying for it?

[Risottia]

The Portuguese Parliament voted against co-adoption by same-sex couples today. MPs from all parties did, both left and right wing.

The lid on Pandora´s Box was closed, for the time being.

Whatever the Portuguese Parliament said on the issue is irrelevant. Portugal recognises equal marriage. Hence, as per a previous ruling of the ECHR, legally-married same-sex couples are under the same legislation that is applied to legally-married other-sex couples. Co-adoption included.

[Hurdegaryp]

If the very thought of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

An intelligent rant? Wow, give the guy a gold star.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the meaning of intelligence. Next time try using a dictionary instead of the Bible.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

If the very of sex of the reproductive persuasion disgusts homossexuals, why should they be allowed to adopt at all ? It´s like "oh poor me, hetero sex makes me want to puke, I´m a homo, so pass laws enabling me to have a child".
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

Homos have no idea of the emotional cost of being unable to reproduce that good hetero couples have. They don´t spend thousands on fertility treatments. But hey, they want a child, let´s give them one on a silver plater.
Does this make any sense ? No, it doesn´t.

You didn't went full potato, you went an entire cassava. -_-

Do you realize this is about a bi guy/girl having a natural kid, then marrying again, then the other biological parent of the kid dying or disappearing or going arrested and then the stepparent manage to get all full legal rights it might need as a parent in the case of emergencies, courts and whatnot, right?

I do. But like I said before, co-adoption would lead to full adoption. And God knows what other incurable, permanent depravation all for the sake of "People have rights".
No, not everything is for everyone.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

So why should children have to pay for your misguided sexual orientation ?

Children of gay couples love them just as much, and vice-versa. The fact that they're different doesn't make them any worse. What people aren't born with is prejudice.

And not allowing them to legally adopt will not impede them from living in a gay family with a de facto "single" parent "just dating".

It already happens, just banning it is acting like an ostrich.

[Lashistan]

Biologists have observed homosexuality in over thousand species. Homophobia, however, can only be observed in one species. So it seems as if homosexuality is actually a naturally occurring phenomenon, whereas homophobia is an artificial form of malevolence.

This. So. Much.



To homophobes and "moralists",
Deal with it.

[Desperate Measures]

Gay's had a perfectly easy way to reproduce since the dawn of mankind. They just point their penis in a more vaginal direction. It's easy. Though might not be enjoyable for any involved.

And why would a woman, and society for that matter, allow another man in a prehistoric society, to have sex with her, carry his kid, and then hand that kid over to him to be raised by two men in a time where 99.9% of people believed that families could only be successful with a man and a woman? And if archaeological evidence is anything to go by, why would that same woman allow a precious commodity such as her people's future heirs, be handed over to someone they would view as strange and contrary to their society's culture and beliefs?

Because many societys worked this way? There are instances of entire villages parenting the children born there. The nuclear family isn't as ancient as you may have been led to believe.

[European Socialist Republic]

The Portuguese Parliament voted against co-adoption by same-sex couples today. MPs from all parties did, both left and right wing.

The lid on Pandora´s Box was closed, for the time being.

Whatever the Portuguese Parliament said on the issue is irrelevant. Portugal recognises equal marriage. Hence, as per a previous ruling of the ECHR, legally-married same-sex couples are under the same legislation that is applied to legally-married other-sex couples. Co-adoption included.

Those ebul unelected Eurocrats! Always infringing upon a nation's freedom to surpress minorities!

[Thafoo]

I am not going to needlessly expose an entire generation of innocent adopted children to discrimination...

if you find that magic button that makes all discrimination immediately disappear so we don't have to sacrifice any children, I'll change my mind. Right now my interest is in protecting the immediate well-being of the kids...

Several papers say that, while the children suffer some teasing, they end up more gender-flexible and therefore more mentally stable. Among other benefits.
http://www.care2.com/causes/gay-parents ... efits.html
http://www.livescience.com/17913-advant ... rents.html
http://www.first5la.org/articles/modern ... y-adoption
Along with some opinion pieces that raise good points...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/06/24/c ... y.parents/
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002 ... gay-couple

sources for that mentally stable spiel