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Should we Continue to Prosecute Nazi War Criminals?

Yes, justice must be served
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No, it makes little difference to prosecute them now that they're in their 80s and 90s
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Postby Romae Maiorem » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:08 pm

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Postby Coccygia » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:09 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Roski wrote:The Nazi Third Reich is one of the most notorious groups in history. I don't give two shits if they are the oldest person alive, EXECUTE THEM.

Nazi's should only be the start. Any intentional act of Genocide or Multiple Homicide should be met with a quick, sharp, shot to the brain.


Retribution is desired. Not revenge. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. But not tortured and not killed. Above, not equal to, that monstrosity.

Define the difference between retribution and revenge, if you would.
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Postby Roski » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:09 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Roski wrote:The Nazi Third Reich is one of the most notorious groups in history. I don't give two shits if they are the oldest person alive, EXECUTE THEM.

Nazi's should only be the start. Any intentional act of Genocide or Multiple Homicide should be met with a quick, sharp, shot to the brain.


Retribution is desired. Not revenge. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. But not tortured and not killed. Above, not equal to, that monstrosity.


No torture. Just a quick shot to the head.
Retribution does nothing.
6,000,000 civilians executed by these monsters. I don't think the Soviets killed enough of them when they burnt Berlin to the ground (again)
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Postby TheWalkingGhost » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:10 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
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Not necessarily. Merely that the hunt itself is irrationally motivated.

I don't see anything irrational in putting some of the worst criminals in history on trial.

With all other problems that are getting worse and won't go away, what is rational about hunting down and trying a few remaining old people?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:10 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Not necessarily. Merely that the hunt itself is irrationally motivated.

I don't see anything irrational in putting some of the worst criminals in history on trial.


That's been done. You're putting the worst criminal in histories shoeshine boys on trial.
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Postby TheWalkingGhost » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:11 pm

Roski wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Retribution is desired. Not revenge. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. But not tortured and not killed. Above, not equal to, that monstrosity.


No torture. Just a quick shot to the head.
Retribution does nothing.
6,000,000 civilians executed by these monsters. I don't think the Soviets killed enough of them when they burnt Berlin to the ground (again)
You seem a tad angry.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:12 pm

TheWalkingGhost wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Not necessarily. Merely that the hunt itself is irrationally motivated.
Yep. Or just hunting and harassing people with unpopular opinions. We have more important things to do that find elderly war criminals.

There are a lot of people in the world. I'm sure a few can work on the war criminals while the rest of us do the more important stuff.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:13 pm

TheWalkingGhost wrote:
Roski wrote:
No torture. Just a quick shot to the head.
Retribution does nothing.
6,000,000 civilians executed by these monsters. I don't think the Soviets killed enough of them when they burnt Berlin to the ground (again)
You seem a tad angry.

Six to eleven million dead seems like one of the better reasons to be angry.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:13 pm

Mizrad wrote:I'm pretty sure one of the few things almost everybody on this earth can agree on is that Nazi war criminals all deserve to die.


No.

First of all, some people have a philosophical problem with the death penalty.

Secondly, "Nazi war criminals" covers a broad range of people who are guilty of a wide variety of things. For example, there are Nazi war criminals (even big name ones) that never killed a single person and never ordered a single execution. Then there are guys like Eichmann. You need to consider them as individuals and sort out the monsters from the more redeemable ones.
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Postby Roski » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:13 pm

TheWalkingGhost wrote:
Roski wrote:
No torture. Just a quick shot to the head.
Retribution does nothing.
6,000,000 civilians executed by these monsters. I don't think the Soviets killed enough of them when they burnt Berlin to the ground (again)
You seem a tad angry.


A little bit.

The fact that this is a discussion angers me.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:14 pm

Coccygia wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Retribution is desired. Not revenge. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. But not tortured and not killed. Above, not equal to, that monstrosity.

Define the difference between retribution and revenge, if you would.


Revenge is as a "visceral, personal desire to hurt the wrongdoer." Retribution is the "deep felt desire to uphold society's values."

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:15 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Define the difference between retribution and revenge, if you would.


Revenge is as a "visceral, personal desire to hurt the wrongdoer." Retribution is the "deep felt desire to uphold society's values."


So with retribution, you kick him in the balls. With revenge, you get six million Jews to kick him in the balls.

I pick revenge. :)
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Postby TheWalkingGhost » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:16 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
TheWalkingGhost wrote:Yep. Or just hunting and harassing people with unpopular opinions. We have more important things to do that find elderly war criminals.

There are a lot of people in the world. I'm sure a few can work on the war criminals while the rest of us do the more important stuff.

Or we can leave Hitlers butler alone and focus 100% on things like cancer. The Emerald Legion is right, the actual ones have been dealt with.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:17 pm

Roski wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Retribution is desired. Not revenge. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. But not tortured and not killed. Above, not equal to, that monstrosity.


No torture. Just a quick shot to the head.
Retribution does nothing.
6,000,000 civilians executed by these monsters. I don't think the Soviets killed enough of them when they burnt Berlin to the ground (again)


I know, one of those 6 million was a family member. Again, I'm uncertain how killing them would do anything. It won't bring him back. It won't end the suffering that occurred. It will just be doing what they did.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:17 pm

TheWalkingGhost wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:There are a lot of people in the world. I'm sure a few can work on the war criminals while the rest of us do the more important stuff.

Or we can leave Hitlers butler alone and focus 100% on things like cancer. The Emerald Legion is right, the actual ones have been dealt with.

Nobody's suggesting we go after Hitler's butler. We're suggesting we go after people who gassed children and shot surrendering soldiers in the head.
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Postby TheWalkingGhost » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:18 pm

Roski wrote:
TheWalkingGhost wrote:You seem a tad angry.


A little bit.

The fact that this is a discussion angers me.

Relax, have a drink. Hitler is dead and all the actual killers are either dead or still in jail.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:19 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
TheWalkingGhost wrote:Or we can leave Hitlers butler alone and focus 100% on things like cancer. The Emerald Legion is right, the actual ones have been dealt with.

Nobody's suggesting we go after Hitler's butler. We're suggesting we go after people who gassed children and shot surrendering soldiers in the head.


Or gassed and cremated as many "undesirables" as possible before the allies came.

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Postby TheWalkingGhost » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:19 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
TheWalkingGhost wrote:Or we can leave Hitlers butler alone and focus 100% on things like cancer. The Emerald Legion is right, the actual ones have been dealt with.

Nobody's suggesting we go after Hitler's butler. We're suggesting we go after people who gassed children and shot surrendering soldiers in the head.

Hitlers butler is pretty much all that is left..
The ghosts swarm.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:20 pm

TheWalkingGhost wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Nobody's suggesting we go after Hitler's butler. We're suggesting we go after people who gassed children and shot surrendering soldiers in the head.

Hitlers butler is pretty much all that is left..


Wow... what a stupid comment.

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Postby Roski » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:21 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Roski wrote:
No torture. Just a quick shot to the head.
Retribution does nothing.
6,000,000 civilians executed by these monsters. I don't think the Soviets killed enough of them when they burnt Berlin to the ground (again)


I know, one of those 6 million was a family member. Again, I'm uncertain how killing them would do anything. It won't bring him back. It won't end the suffering that occurred. It will just be doing what they did.


I am not knowingly related to any member of the Holocaust, on either side.

However, it is my position that anyone who willingly kills 2+ people should die. Crimes would drop dramatically, and it will leave a message to that world that the victors will stand by their own paths they chose at the end of the war. How likely is another mass genocide when the United States, UK, France, and Russia will willingly execute any member, even after all generations who were in it are dead?
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:23 pm

Roski wrote:The Nazi Third Reich is one of the most notorious groups in history. I don't give two shits if they are the oldest person alive, EXECUTE THEM.

Nazi's should only be the start. Any intentional act of Genocide or Multiple Homicide should be met with a quick, sharp, shot to the brain.


Being a Nazi war criminal does not always mean someone is guilty of genocide or homicide.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:26 pm

Roski wrote:6,000,000 civilians executed by these monsters. I don't think the Soviets killed enough of them when they burnt Berlin to the ground (again)


So now you are in favor of random people being killed without a trial? The Soviets were busy capturing the city and didn't have the chance to sort out who was responsible for what until after the fighting ended.
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Postby Roski » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:26 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Roski wrote:The Nazi Third Reich is one of the most notorious groups in history. I don't give two shits if they are the oldest person alive, EXECUTE THEM.

Nazi's should only be the start. Any intentional act of Genocide or Multiple Homicide should be met with a quick, sharp, shot to the brain.


Being a Nazi war criminal does not always mean someone is guilty of genocide or homicide.


Yes, shooting a surrendered soldier counts.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

Follow my Vex Robotics team on instagram! @3921a_vex

I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:27 pm

Roski wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I know, one of those 6 million was a family member. Again, I'm uncertain how killing them would do anything. It won't bring him back. It won't end the suffering that occurred. It will just be doing what they did.


I am not knowingly related to any member of the Holocaust, on either side.

However, it is my position that anyone who willingly kills 2+ people should die. Crimes would drop dramatically, and it will leave a message to that world that the victors will stand by their own paths they chose at the end of the war. How likely is another mass genocide when the United States, UK, France, and Russia will willingly execute any member, even after all generations who were in it are dead?


I am. My grandfather who survived, his brother who did not.

The death penalty has already been shown to not be a successful deterrent. Sure, it gives us a sense of control, a source of power to keep ourselves safe. But it's a myth. It's a reactionary tool used to please the masses when crime rates spike.

But that's another discussion. The point is we could find all the people who committed these crimes and slaughter them. But that would bring us down to their level. It won't be justice, it would be revenge. It wouldn't erase the pain and suffering, or the deaths. It would just bring more.

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Postby The balkens » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:27 pm

Roski wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Being a Nazi war criminal does not always mean someone is guilty of genocide or homicide.


Yes, shooting a surrendered soldier counts.


That happened on both sides, try harder.

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