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Should we Continue to Prosecute Nazi War Criminals?

Yes, justice must be served
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No, it makes little difference to prosecute them now that they're in their 80s and 90s
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Postby Britanno » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:29 am

Definitely.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:30 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't think it's arbitrary to decline to prosecute dead people.


Because you assume they'd enjoy your hyperbole, loaded questions, and intellectual dishonesty?


Funny. The one accusing me of loaded questions is bringing intellectual dishonesty into a moral debate, rather than say, a factual debate.

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So, theoretically speaking if the third reich had succeeded in the final solution then survived long enough that the generation who did so died off. You would have no problems with a hypothetical modern third reich because the people who commited genocide are dead?

That would rather depend on what this hypothetical Third Reich was doing. Being the Third Reich, I imagine they and I would disagree on some points of policy. Regardless, I wouldn't want to see any of the leaders of the Third Reich prosecuted for crimes they were not involved in. Why do you ask?

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Postby Sdaeriji » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:32 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't think it's arbitrary to decline to prosecute dead people.


Because you assume they'd enjoy your hyperbole, loaded questions, and intellectual dishonesty?


Funny. The one accusing me of loaded questions is bringing intellectual dishonesty into a moral debate, rather than say, a factual debate.

So, theoretically speaking if the third reich had succeeded in the final solution then survived long enough that the generation who did so died off. You would have no problems with a hypothetical modern third reich because the people who commited genocide are dead?


In the sense that they shouldn't be held accountable as individuals for the crimes of their political predecessors, yes?
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:50 am

My question is: assuming these men are known Nazi war criminals (unlike the one mentioned in the OP) why haven't they been prosecuted already?
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Postby Divair » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:51 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:My question is: assuming these men are known Nazi war criminals (unlike the one mentioned in the OP) then why haven't they been prosecuted already?

They managed to hide? Rather obvious.

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Postby Britcan » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:53 am

They should certainly be prosecuted for their crimes, regardless of age or health. I can't say I see much sense in imprisoning them though.

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:04 am

Divair wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:My question is: assuming these men are known Nazi war criminals (unlike the one mentioned in the OP) then why haven't they been prosecuted already?

They managed to hide? Rather obvious.


If they're in hiding and have kept their identities and existence so well hidden, then how are there public outcries for their personal prosecution? smartass

We're discussing whether or not known Nazi war criminals should be prosecuted in their old age. Men like the one referenced in the OP, who's address you could go visit because they're not in hiding.
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Postby Divair » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:08 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Divair wrote:They managed to hide? Rather obvious.


If they're in hiding and have kept their identities and existence so well hidden, then how are there public outcries for their personal prosecution? smartass

We're discussing whether or not known Nazi war criminals should be prosecuted in their old age. Men like the one referenced in the OP, who's address you could go visit because they're not in hiding.

Because they've been found?

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:19 am

Divair wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
If they're in hiding and have kept their identities and existence so well hidden, then how are there public outcries for their personal prosecution? smartass

We're discussing whether or not known Nazi war criminals should be prosecuted in their old age. Men like the one referenced in the OP, who's address you could go visit because they're not in hiding.

Because they've been found?


Except that virtually all of them have already been found and prosecuted, or are still at large. And the ones today that have been "found" (such as the one in the OP who has never been in hiding) can't definitively be called war criminals. You continually fail to see my point.
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Postby Divair » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:23 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Divair wrote:Because they've been found?


Except that virtually all of them have already have been found and prosecuted, or are still at large. And the ones that have been "found" (such as the one in the OP who has never been in hiding) can't definitively be called war criminals.

That's for the trials to decide.

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Postby Juggalo world » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:28 am

Yes,everyone of those basterds should be found and shot no matter how old they are.
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Postby Ainin » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:29 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:And of the ones that have been "found" (such as the one in the OP who has never been in hiding) many can't definitively be called war criminals.

Of course they can't. Presumption of innocence exists after all. But that doesn't affect anything.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:30 am

Juggalo world wrote:Yes,everyone of those basterds should be found and shot no matter how old they are.

Tried, yes. Shot? Punishment depends on the crime. And I know that your thing is cool and edgy ultra-violence but knock it off.
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Postby Lyassa and Nairoa » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:32 am

Should we Continue to Prosecute Nazi War Criminals?

Is there any still alive ?

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Postby Arvena » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:42 am

We should also prosecute the communist war criminals. Communists killed as much innocent people as Nazis.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:42 am

Divair wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Except that virtually all of them have already have been found and prosecuted, or are still at large. And the ones that have been "found" (such as the one in the OP who has never been in hiding) can't definitively be called war criminals.

That's for the trials to decide.


Ainin wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:And of the ones that have been "found" (such as the one in the OP who has never been in hiding) many can't definitively be called war criminals.

Of course they can't. Presumption of innocence exists after all. But that doesn't affect anything.


Right. So getting back to my original point, why haven't they been tried yet? If the suspicion is supposedly great enough to warrant a day in court, then why haven't these survivors (if there really are any legitimate ones left in the open) been tried?

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:52 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Divair wrote:That's for the trials to decide.


Ainin wrote:Of course they can't. Presumption of innocence exists after all. But that doesn't affect anything.


Right. So getting back to my original point, why haven't they been tried yet? If the suspicion is supposedly great enough to warrant a day in court, then why haven't these survivors (if there really are any legitimate ones left in the open) been tried?


Lack of sufficient evidence at this point. New information an the Holocaust continues to show up.

As to the OP, they should be prosecuted. Age or length of time from the crime should not matter (we still go after murderers 20 years down the line, the same should be true here).
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:09 am

Yes, if you were involved in such crimes you should be prosecuted.

Either that or forced to face me in a pistol duel. The prosecution would be safer.
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Postby Divair » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:31 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Divair wrote:That's for the trials to decide.


Ainin wrote:Of course they can't. Presumption of innocence exists after all. But that doesn't affect anything.


Right. So getting back to my original point, why haven't they been tried yet? If the suspicion is supposedly great enough to warrant a day in court, then why haven't these survivors (if there really are any legitimate ones left in the open) been tried?

Because they were only found recently? We've been over this, seriously.

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Postby The Tarantara Dominion » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:52 am

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:What of those Nazis who didn't themselves partake in the killings, but were fully aware of their happenings.

And what of those who claimed they were following orders?


Every single one of them were following orders, except for some of the rapists...
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Postby The Tarantara Dominion » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:53 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:


Right. So getting back to my original point, why haven't they been tried yet? If the suspicion is supposedly great enough to warrant a day in court, then why haven't these survivors (if there really are any legitimate ones left in the open) been tried?


Lack of sufficient evidence at this point. New information an the Holocaust continues to show up.

As to the OP, they should be prosecuted. Age or length of time from the crime should not matter (we still go after murderers 20 years down the line, the same should be true here).


Wrong, lulz!

That's hilarious, they don't lack sufficient enough evidence they haven't been caught yet. They are criminals, international war criminals...
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Postby Mizrad » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:56 am

I'm pretty sure one of the few things almost everybody on this earth can agree on is that Nazi war criminals all deserve to die. Either imprison or execute them like we always have, but I would say the search should stop in a few years because by then they'll all definitely be dead.
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Postby Divair » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:57 am

Mizrad wrote:I'm pretty sure one of the few things almost everybody on this earth can agree on is that Nazi war criminals all deserve to die.

No, actually, that's not true at all.

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:08 pm

Divair wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:


Right. So getting back to my original point, why haven't they been tried yet? If the suspicion is supposedly great enough to warrant a day in court, then why haven't these survivors (if there really are any legitimate ones left in the open) been tried?

Because they were only found recently? We've been over this, seriously.


Ummmmm, and who exactly is it that was found recently who was definitely connected to Nazi schemes? Almost all of these people are either dead, have already been prosecuted, haven't been found, or were never in hiding.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:09 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:My question is: assuming these men are known Nazi war criminals (unlike the one mentioned in the OP) why haven't they been prosecuted already?


Sometimes they're able to go under the radar for years.
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