Should we Continue to Prosecute Nazi War Criminals?

[Meepcraftia]

Should Japanese Americans hate Americans for putting them into internment camps?

Were six million Japanese Americans killed?

So false imprisonment is not a major offense?

[Divair]

Were six million Japanese Americans killed?

So false imprisonment is not a major offense?

Not as major as genocide, no.

[Ifreann]

Name one logical, rational reason that we should waste time and resources prosecuting the elderly who are currently doing no wrong.

Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?

[Galloism]

Under what legal system is duress a defense to murder?

Duress is accepted or rejected on a case by case basis rather than as an established law. Yes, commonly duress is not accepted as a defense to murder, but this isn't exactly an ordinary circumstance.

And again, technically the people believed they were committing lawful executions. Then their government lost the war and all of a sudden those lawful executions are not so lawful.

A reasonable person would realize that extermination based on ethnicity was wrong.

[The Emerald Legion]

Name one logical, rational reason that we should waste time and resources prosecuting the elderly who are currently doing no wrong.

Closure.

Is not a logical rational reason. The case is closed, there's no reason to re-open it because someone can dredge up relics of it. Should we burn the Vatican for it's crimes in medieval Europe?

[Divair]

Closure.

Is not a logical rational reason. The case is closed, there's no reason to re-open it because someone can dredge up relics of it. Should we burn the Vatican for it's crimes in medieval Europe?

If there were living members from the period, yes. But there aren't.

[Meepcraftia]

So false imprisonment is not a major offense?

Not as major as genocide, no.

Understood. What the Nazi's did during the holocaust is unforgivable. But back to the main topic, how do we determine which Germans participated in the atrocities?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Name one logical, rational reason that we should waste time and resources prosecuting the elderly who are currently doing no wrong.

Because the justice system does not overlook crimes without trial if the accused is of good character or committed the crime a long time ago.

[Divair]

Not as major as genocide, no.

Understood. What the Nazi's did during the holocaust is unforgivable. But back to the main topic, how do we determine which Germans participated in the atrocities?

I'm sure the prosecution has evidence, otherwise the trial would be very short.

[The Emerald Legion]

Is not a logical rational reason. The case is closed, there's no reason to re-open it because someone can dredge up relics of it. Should we burn the Vatican for it's crimes in medieval Europe?

If there were living members from the period, yes. But there aren't.

So basically, you're justifying meaningless petty vengeance with nothing but arbitrary limits....

And people wonder why I think the world would be better off with robot overlords.

[Divair]

If there were living members from the period, yes. But there aren't.

So basically, you're justifying meaningless petty vengeance with nothing but arbitrary limits....

And people wonder why I think the world would be better off with robot overlords.

Aren't you the one that's arbitrarily deciding upon an age at which people can get away?

[Meepcraftia]

So false imprisonment is not a major offense?

Not as major as genocide, no.

I did some thinking. By the above logic, only Jewish people who lost family members to the nazis have the right to hate nazis. Everyone else should be fine as long as all their loved ones survived?

[Divair]

Not as major as genocide, no.

I did some thinking. By the above logic, only Jewish people who lost family members to the nazis have the right to hate nazis. Everyone else should be fine as long as all their loved ones survived?

No. That's a very odd conclusion to come to.

[The Emerald Legion]

So basically, you're justifying meaningless petty vengeance with nothing but arbitrary limits....

And people wonder why I think the world would be better off with robot overlords.

Aren't you the one that's arbitrarily deciding upon an age at which people can get away?

It's not even the age. If they were magically 18 and had the rest of their lives ahead of them I'd still say "Fuck it, it's over."

[Divair]

Aren't you the one that's arbitrarily deciding upon an age at which people can get away?

It's not even the age. If they were magically 18 and had the rest of their lives ahead of them I'd still say "Fuck it, it's over."

So you're letting them get away with it because it's in the past? Aren't all crimes in the past? Why do you arbitrarily decide that this crime is OK to be ignored?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Aren't you the one that's arbitrarily deciding upon an age at which people can get away?

It's not even the age. If they were magically 18 and had the rest of their lives ahead of them I'd still say "Fuck it, it's over."

Thank christ you aren't a judge, is all I can say to that. That's ridiculous. There aren't strong enough adjectives to describe how ridiculous this train of thought is. Letting people off the hook because it happened a long time ago... seriously?

[Meepcraftia]

I did some thinking. By the above logic, only Jewish people who lost family members to the nazis have the right to hate nazis. Everyone else should be fine as long as all their loved ones survived?

No. That's a very odd conclusion to come to.

Now by that logic, Japanese Americans that came out of internment camps can hate America for false imprisonment. (Of course not as much as Holocaust survivors can hate the nazis)

[Imperializt Russia]

Under what legal system is duress a defense to murder?

Militia are constantly recruiting young children in Africa by making them kill, you reckon these kids should be punished instead of the real killers?

If they're 15 or over, since 15 is apparently the age above which an individual is no longer considered a "child soldier".
For some reason.

Though you are correct, extenuating circumstances of how a fifteen year old came to be a soldier.

It was a problem of our own cultures, once, barely a century ago.

[The Emerald Legion]

It's not even the age. If they were magically 18 and had the rest of their lives ahead of them I'd still say "Fuck it, it's over."

So you're letting them get away with it because it's in the past? Aren't all crimes in the past? Why do you arbitrarily decide that this crime is OK to be ignored?

The reason why criminals are punished is to remove the threat to society. If they've quietly lived their lives for the past 70 years they're not a threat and hunting them down for past associations is pointless.

If they're not, we wouldn't have to hunt through 70 year old paperwork to figure it out.

[Ifreann]

If there were living members from the period, yes. But there aren't.

So basically, you're justifying meaningless petty vengeance with nothing but arbitrary limits....

I don't think it's arbitrary to decline to prosecute dead people.

And people wonder why I think the world would be better off with robot overlords.

Because you assume they'd enjoy your loaded questions and intellectual dishonesty?

[Divair]

No. That's a very odd conclusion to come to.

Now by that logic, Japanese Americans that came out of internment camps can hate America for false imprisonment. (Of course not as much as Holocaust survivors can hate the nazis)

If they want to. I don't really care what they do.

So you're letting them get away with it because it's in the past? Aren't all crimes in the past? Why do you arbitrarily decide that this crime is OK to be ignored?

The reason why criminals are punished is to remove the threat to society. If they've quietly lived their lives for the past 70 years they're not a threat and hunting them down for past associations is pointless.

If they're not, we wouldn't have to hunt through 70 year old paperwork to figure it out.

On that we disagree. Removing the threat is a significant part of it, but closure for the victims is also another part of it.

[Imperializt Russia]

So you're letting them get away with it because it's in the past? Aren't all crimes in the past? Why do you arbitrarily decide that this crime is OK to be ignored?

The reason why criminals are punished is to remove the threat to society. If they've quietly lived their lives for the past 70 years they're not a threat and hunting them down for past associations is pointless.

If they're not, we wouldn't have to hunt through 70 year old paperwork to figure it out.

We usually find these people by having already found their names in the seventy year old paperwork.

[Imperializt Russia]

So you're letting them get away with it because it's in the past? Aren't all crimes in the past? Why do you arbitrarily decide that this crime is OK to be ignored?

The reason why criminals are punished is to remove the threat to society. If they've quietly lived their lives for the past 70 years they're not a threat and hunting them down for past associations is pointless.

Serial killers lay dormant for years and sometimes decades.

[Vitaphone Racing]

So you're letting them get away with it because it's in the past? Aren't all crimes in the past? Why do you arbitrarily decide that this crime is OK to be ignored?

The reason why criminals are punished is to remove the threat to society. If they've quietly lived their lives for the past 70 years they're not a threat and hunting them down for past associations is pointless.

If they're not, we wouldn't have to hunt through 70 year old paperwork to figure it out.

So why are people held for contempt of court and other offences like that? Surely being in contempt of court is not a danger to society. Seems like there's more than one reason why criminals are punished.

[The Emerald Legion]

So basically, you're justifying meaningless petty vengeance with nothing but arbitrary limits....

I don't think it's arbitrary to decline to prosecute dead people.

And people wonder why I think the world would be better off with robot overlords.

Because you assume they'd enjoy your hyperbole, loaded questions, and intellectual dishonesty?

Funny. The one accusing me of loaded questions is bringing intellectual dishonesty into a moral debate, rather than say, a factual debate.

So, theoretically speaking if the third reich had succeeded in the final solution then survived long enough that the generation who did so died off. You would have no problems with a hypothetical modern third reich because the people who commited genocide are dead?