Does America need a bit of Socialism

[New Connorstantinople]

Good God yes, no free healthcare or anything.

And for the fact, do Americans even known what Communism is?

Yes, we do, and we like to crack jokes about how some of us dont. Seeing as how you believe puplic services are actually "free", I'm going to go ahead and say that you do not.

[Galloism]

Obamacare isn't socialist. It's in fact creating alot of money for insurance corporations.

It's costing people more than its helping, there are millions without insurance because of Obamacare. And how is Obamacare not socialist

Because it's not a government run health care program. It's a handout to private industry.

The word you're looking for is "corporatist".

[America Libertaria]

The USA should NOT imitate Europe in economics, its a no-brainer that capitalism works better in that sense, but PERHAPS it could imitate it in CERTQIN AREAS of social programs. I'd propose that the USA should remain center-right, so that it can see both centrism and moderately right politics. Socialism has NOT proven itself superior in economics, and this seems to be a pretty clear case of the grass being always green on the other side.

We should aim for social democracy and a mixed market economy with lots of safety nets, regulations, and restraints. i do agree they we shouldn't support austerity as many European countries have supported.

[Galloism]

It's costing people more than its helping, there are millions without insurance because of Obamacare. And how is Obamacare not socialist

Do you realize Obamacare is the carbon copy of an early 90s Republican legislation project

One of the great ironies I point out nearly constantly.

[Socialist Austrian Empire]

The USA should NOT imitate Europe in economics, its a no-brainer that capitalism works better in that sense, but PERHAPS it could imitate it in CERTQIN AREAS of social programs. I'd propose that the USA should remain center-right, so that it can see both centrism and moderately right politics. Socialism has NOT proven itself superior in economics, and this seems to be a pretty clear case of the grass being always green on the other side.

Oh yes capitalism is SO much better, . That's why germany's unionized more socialized economics is so inferior. Europe has no economies greater than america. And that's why communist-socialist china has such a bad economy.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

do Americans even known what Communism is?

Yes, we do

1000/10

[America Libertaria]

Good God yes, no free healthcare or anything.

And for the fact, do Americans even known what Communism is?

Yes, we do, and we like to crack jokes about how some of us dont. Seeing as how you believe puplic services are actually "free", I'm going to go ahead and say that you do not.

They are free. Learn some basic economics. Since the government issues it's currency it can spend as much as it likes. Taxes are simply meant to regulate aggregate demand and inflation.

[Divair]

The USA should NOT imitate Europe in economics, its a no-brainer that capitalism works better in that sense, but PERHAPS it could imitate it in CERTQIN AREAS of social programs. I'd propose that the USA should remain center-right, so that it can see both centrism and moderately right politics. Socialism has NOT proven itself superior in economics, and this seems to be a pretty clear case of the grass being always green on the other side.

Oh yes capitalism is SO much better, . That's why germany's unionized more socialized economics is so inferior. Europe has no economies greater than america. And that's why communist-socialist china has such a bad economy.

Neither Germany nor China have any socialist or communist economic policies. Germany is social democratic (ish). China is insanely laissez faire.

[European Socialist Republic]

Do you realize Obamacare is the carbon copy of an early 90s Republican legislation project

One of the great ironies I point out nearly constantly.

Republicans in the 90's were obviously Dirty Commies in disguise. *nods*

[America Libertaria]

One of the great ironies I point out nearly constantly.

Republicans in the 90's were obviously Dirty Commies in disguise. *nods*

Everyone was a dirty commie in the 90's *nods harder*

[Socialist Austrian Empire]

This post is one after post 909. Just wanted to make the beatles reference.

[Galloism]

Republicans in the 90's were obviously Dirty Commies in disguise. *nods*

Everyone was a dirty commie in the 90's *nods harder*

The funny part is, I think Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's standards.

[Divair]

Everyone was a dirty commie in the 90's *nods harder*

The funny part is, I think Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's standards.

If it's any consolation, he's a liberal in Europe.

[America Libertaria]

Everyone was a dirty commie in the 90's *nods harder*

The funny part is, I think Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's standards.

By working with instead of against the Democratic congress in the second half of his presidency he would definitely be considered a liberal. He was still an idiot though.

[Nervium]

Everyone was a dirty commie in the 90's *nods harder*

The funny part is, I think Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's standards.

Well by Tea Party standards. Not by the average fairtrade woolsocks wearing liberal standards.

[European Socialist Republic]

Oh yes capitalism is SO much better, . That's why germany's unionized more socialized economics is so inferior. Europe has no economies greater than america. And that's why communist-socialist china has such a bad economy.

Neither Germany nor China have any socialist or communist economic policies. Germany is social democratic (ish). China is insanely laissez faire.

Is it though? It seems to me that the Chinese state owns quite alot of industries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of ... nterprises

"As of 2014, large state-owned enterprises (SOEs) are the backbone of China's economy, producing over 50% of the nation's goods and services, and employing over half of China's workers. Sixty-five of the Chinese companies in the 2012 Fortune Global 500 list were state-owned, including State Grid Corporation of China, which operates the country's power grid, and oil companies China National Petroleum Corporation and Sinopec. Profits of the largest state-owned enterprises were much greater than the largest firms in the private sector, which were largely small- and medium-sized businesses.

Reform efforts, spurred by problems with corruption at some firms, were focused on splitting state-owned firms or creating competing state-owned firms—rather than privatization, which is politically unacceptable to the ruling party. Firms attempting to maintain their position, such as the State Grid, pointed out the advantages of monopoly, using incidents such as the 2012 India blackouts as examples of disorganization.

As of 2011, 35% of business activity and 43% of profits in the People's Republic of China were generated by companies in which the state owned a majority interest."

[Galloism]

The funny part is, I think Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's standards.

Well by Tea Party standards. Not by the average fairtrade woolsocks wearing liberal standards.

Wool socks are a liberal plot?

[Nervium]

Well by Tea Party standards. Not by the average fairtrade woolsocks wearing liberal standards.

Wool socks are a liberal plot?

Fairtrade wool socks are.


Anyway, my opinion;

America needs socialism, but, not now.
We gotta fight some struggles first, some real struggles.

[Divair]

Neither Germany nor China have any socialist or communist economic policies. Germany is social democratic (ish). China is insanely laissez faire.

Is it though? It seems to me that the Chinese state owns quite alot of industries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of ... nterprises

"As of 2014, large state-owned enterprises (SOEs) are the backbone of China's economy, producing over 50% of the nation's goods and services, and employing over half of China's workers. Sixty-five of the Chinese companies in the 2012 Fortune Global 500 list were state-owned, including State Grid Corporation of China, which operates the country's power grid, and oil companies China National Petroleum Corporation and Sinopec. Profits of the largest state-owned enterprises were much greater than the largest firms in the private sector, which were largely small- and medium-sized businesses.

Reform efforts, spurred by problems with corruption at some firms, were focused on splitting state-owned firms or creating competing state-owned firms—rather than privatization, which is politically unacceptable to the ruling party. Firms attempting to maintain their position, such as the State Grid, pointed out the advantages of monopoly, using incidents such as the 2012 India blackouts as examples of disorganization.

As of 2011, 35% of business activity and 43% of profits in the People's Republic of China were generated by companies in which the state owned a majority interest."

It's this weird situation in which the government profits off of lots of companies, but they do fuck all about actually regulating what companies do. It's not really free market, or state capitalist, so I simply go with laissez faire.

[Divair]

Wool socks are a liberal plot?

Fairtrade wool socks are.

Organic free-range wool socks.

[European Socialist Republic]

The funny part is, I think Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's standards.

If it's any consolation, he's a liberal in Europe.

But our liberals are closer to the ideology of the classical liberals and Morgoroth Thatcher than American liberals.

[Divair]

If it's any consolation, he's a liberal in Europe.

But our liberals are closer to the ideology of the classical liberals and Morgoroth Thatcher than American liberals.

Yes. That's my point.

[America Libertaria]

Oh yes capitalism is SO much better, . That's why germany's unionized more socialized economics is so inferior. Europe has no economies greater than america. And that's why communist-socialist china has such a bad economy.

Neither Germany nor China have any socialist or communist economic policies. Germany is social democratic (ish). China is insanely laissez faire.

China isn't laissez Faire, if anything they are market socialist bordering state capitalist. However the government their doesn't use it's power over the economy for the benefit of it's people.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well by Tea Party standards. Not by the average fairtrade woolsocks wearing liberal standards.

Wool socks are a liberal plot?

I knew those people wearing socks and trilby hats seemed suspicious *nod*

[Divair]

Neither Germany nor China have any socialist or communist economic policies. Germany is social democratic (ish). China is insanely laissez faire.

China isn't laissez Faire, if anything they are market socialist bordering state capitalist. However the government their doesn't use it's power over the economy for the benefit of it's people.

They have a hand in every Chinese company, but said companies are not regulated. Foreign companies have even more free reign.