Does America need a bit of Socialism

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

George Orwell is meh, I don't think any child can understand what's really going on and why did Orwell wrote it. But if you want to tell them a pretty story knock yourself out.

I saw the movie. In a History classroom. Everybody said it was clearly a reference to Stalin.

And unlike most people in some developed countries, we actually learned to distinguish social democracy from socialism, socialism from communism, communism from Marxism, Marxism from Marxism-Leninism, and the whole group from Stalinism.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I'm exactly as frivolous as you are reactionary. Serves both well.

Was that supposed to be an ad hominem? Ok.

Você olava. Eu falo merda. São equivalentes.

[Duvniask]

Feeding Ayn Rand to the children?

Good God.

No. George Orwell.

You are aware that Orwell was an ardent socialist, right?

[Pilotto]

No. George Orwell.

You are aware that Orwell was an ardent socialist, right?

I have heard that. You wouldn't know it from reading his work, however.

[Divair]

You are aware that Orwell was an ardent socialist, right?

I have heard that. You wouldn't know it from reading his work, however.

Yes, you would. All of his work is anti-Stalinist. 1984 is anti-Stalinist. Animal Farm is anti-Stalinist. Homage to Catalonia is anti-Stalinist.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

George Orwell is meh, I don't think any child can understand what's really going on and why did Orwell wrote it. But if you want to tell them a pretty story knock yourself out.

As for Ayn Rand? Fuck no, we don't need more "let's deregulate EVERYTHING! Fuck the government!" type of children out there who only know economics from the mouth of a person who was as wishy washy as her ideology.

I don't see how Animal Farm, 1984, and Homage to Catalonia are "meh".

I don't find them my cup of tea because he goes into a slippery slope for the sake of a story.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You are aware that Orwell was an ardent socialist, right?

I have heard that. You wouldn't know it from reading his work, however.

You are aware that criticizing a socialist or partially socialist country does not less of a socialist one make, right?

[Central Africa]

A bit? No. Try a lot!

[Divair]

I don't see how Animal Farm, 1984, and Homage to Catalonia are "meh".

I don't find them my cup of tea because he goes into a slippery slope for the sake of a story.

It's a slippery slope that's real. That's why it's amazing. He simplifies Stalinist ideology for the masses.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

George Orwell is meh, I don't think any child can understand what's really going on and why did Orwell wrote it. But if you want to tell them a pretty story knock yourself out.

As for Ayn Rand? Fuck no, we don't need more "let's deregulate EVERYTHING! Fuck the government!" type of children out there who only know economics from the mouth of a person who was as wishy washy as her ideology.

Who wants to deregulate everything? That's called anarchy. Less regulation would be good, though.

I've already read Atlas Shrugged. Her supposed "Magnum Opus".

It's over glorified shit is what it is.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't find them my cup of tea because he goes into a slippery slope for the sake of a story.

It's a slippery slope that's real. That's why it's amazing. He simplifies Stalinist ideology for the masses.

Yes, however to compare it to real current proposals of more social reforms?

This is exactly what Americans do, it's why I am pretty much against teaching it, because Americans do not understand that what Orwell wrote back then isn't against socialism, but against Stalin.

[Divair]

It's a slippery slope that's real. That's why it's amazing. He simplifies Stalinist ideology for the masses.

Yes, however to compare it to real current proposals of more social reforms?

This is exactly what Americans do, it's why I am pretty much against teaching it, because Americans do not understand that what Orwell wrote back then isn't against socialism, but against Stalin.

A consequence of American education, not George Orwell's writing.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Yes, however to compare it to real current proposals of more social reforms?

This is exactly what Americans do, it's why I am pretty much against teaching it, because Americans do not understand that what Orwell wrote back then isn't against socialism, but against Stalin.

It's sad state when a country lives such a state of disinformation, when the John Doe out there knows less of political ideology than the average 13-year-old student in my area.

[Duvniask]

You are aware that Orwell was an ardent socialist, right?

I have heard that. You wouldn't know it from reading his work, however.

Yes you would, unless you avoided even the slightest research. He made it clear in Why I Write.

From Orwell himself:

The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it. It seems to me nonsense, in a period like our own, to think that one can avoid writing of such subjects. Everyone writes of them in one guise or another. It is simply a question of which side one takes and what approach one follows.

Why would you pit it against Das Kapital? That was pretty ironic from the get-go.

[United Marxist Nations]

If anybody thinks that socialist govt is voluntary and not driven by a bare majority of registered voters (most illiterate and ignorant) voting for candidates of questionable character and ability who have inordinate power over the people with very little transparency or accountability..... Ihave a bridge somewhere for them.....

Most people are perfectly literate.

As someone in a public school that requires students to attend an English class, and read in said class; it depends on what you consider "literate"; there is a good 15-20% that could be called "sub-literate".

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Most people are perfectly literate.

As someone in a public school that requires students to attend an English class, and read in said class; it depends on what you consider "literate"; there is a good 15-20% that could be called "sub-literate".

In my country it's some 50-60%, plus the ~10-15% actually illiterate. e.e

[America Libertaria]

It's a slippery slope that's real. That's why it's amazing. He simplifies Stalinist ideology for the masses.

Yes, however to compare it to real current proposals of more social reforms?

This is exactly what Americans do, it's why I am pretty much against teaching it, because Americans do not understand that what Orwell wrote back then isn't against socialism, but against Stalin.

In my high school we were taught it was against Stalin and intrusive social policies, not against socialism.

[CTALNH]

George Orwell is meh, I don't think any child can understand what's really going on and why did Orwell wrote it. But if you want to tell them a pretty story knock yourself out.

I saw the movie. In a History classroom. Everybody said it was clearly a reference to Stalin.

And unlike most people in some developed countries, we actually learned to distinguish social democracy from socialism, socialism from communism, communism from Marxism, Marxism from Marxism-Leninism, and the whole group from Stalinism.

Marxism Leninism is Stalinism.

[CTALNH]

I don't find them my cup of tea because he goes into a slippery slope for the sake of a story.

It's a slippery slope that's real. That's why it's amazing. He simplifies Stalinist ideology for the masses.

When did Stalin brain probe people?

[Galloism]

It's a slippery slope that's real. That's why it's amazing. He simplifies Stalinist ideology for the masses.

When did Stalin brain probe people?

An, mind probe Tuesday. Always a favorite around the kremlin.

[Divair]

It's a slippery slope that's real. That's why it's amazing. He simplifies Stalinist ideology for the masses.

When did Stalin brain probe people?

When was Stalin a pig?

Never, but they're not historical texts. They're stories with a message.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, however to compare it to real current proposals of more social reforms?

This is exactly what Americans do, it's why I am pretty much against teaching it, because Americans do not understand that what Orwell wrote back then isn't against socialism, but against Stalin.

In my high school we were taught it was against Stalin and intrusive social policies, not against socialism.

I wasn't taught that at my school.

All they said was "here, read this and then we'll have a quiz over the content". They never explained the whole "it's anti-Stalinist, not anti-socialist".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

When did Stalin brain probe people?

When was Stalin a pig?

Never, but they're not historical texts. They're stories with a message.

Well, he looked like a pig.

Does that count?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Marxism Leninism is Stalinism.

No. The first is communist, the second is not.

[Nervium]

Hey kids, let's steer this back to the original discussion wether or not America needs socialism, or a dash of it.

The OP mean a welfare state though, but that's okay.