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Does America need a bit of Socialism Economically?

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No
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:07 am

Estado Paulista wrote:I doubt the average American's acess to healthcare is this bad.

Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:07 am


Cato Institute? Yawn.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:09 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:I doubt the average American's acess to healthcare is this bad.

Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.


Then you should really stop gloating about universal healthcare, because you're embarassing your country. Before judging other countries, maybe you should take a look yours first.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:09 am



Deregulation of an industry =/= better coverage first of all on their article.

If you deregulate an industry you are giving that industry more power to do whatever it wants with your money. So they can take it and you will never see a penny out of it. Interesting how regulation can protect your pocket huh?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:11 am

Divair wrote:

Cato Institute? Yawn.


The Cato Institute is meh.

They are good, but not necessarily right.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:12 am

Divair wrote:

Cato Institute? Yawn.

They once called a study by the World Health Organization, which put countries with universal healthcare on top, "biased".

Lel.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:12 am

Estado Paulista wrote:Then you should really stop gloating about universal healthcare, because you're embarassing your country. Before judging other countries, maybe you should take a look yours first.

Brazil being a radioactive monstrosity doesn't stop America of being terrible.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Cestyr » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:12 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:I doubt the average American's acess to healthcare is this bad.

Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.

I'd go as far to say the average American's access to healthcare is as bad as what you've just seen in the pictures. Hospital overcrowding isn't alien to the west and if you think those photos are bad, you should see what Emergency looks like on a Friday or Saturday night. The difference is the US pays an awful lot more per capita for their system but what they get is far less than what they should be expecting.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:14 am

Cestyr wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.

I'd go as far to say the average American's access to healthcare is as bad as what you've just seen in the pictures. Hospital overcrowding isn't alien to the west and if you think those photos are bad, you should see what Emergency looks like on a Friday or Saturday night. The difference is the US pays an awful lot more per capita for their system but what they get is far less than what they should be expecting.


Parkland Hospital doesn't look near as bad.

However, they are still overcrowded on Fridays and Saturdays.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:14 am

Cestyr wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.

I'd go as far to say the average American's access to healthcare is as bad as what you've just seen in the pictures. Hospital overcrowding isn't alien to the west and if you think those photos are bad, you should see what Emergency looks like on a Friday or Saturday night. The difference is the US pays an awful lot more per capita for their system but what they get is far less than what they should be expecting.

It wouldn't prevent a Brazilian military dictatorship fanboy from behaving exactly as expected from one, nevertheless.
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Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:20 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:Then you should really stop gloating about universal healthcare, because you're embarassing your country. Before judging other countries, maybe you should take a look yours first.

Brazil being a radioactive monstrosity doesn't stop America of being terrible.


Have you ever been to America at all? Somehow, I don't think you're qualified to say it's a "terrible" country. And if anything, I never said you can't call on America for being "terrible", but saying they're lagging behind Brazil and Saudi Arabia when they clearly are not is just stupid. But I didn't expect anything better or smarter from you.
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

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Postby Pilotto » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:23 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:I doubt the average American's acess to healthcare is this bad.

Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.

That is what happens when you teach Das Kapital instead of Animal Farm in the 8th grade, Brazil.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:24 am

Estado Paulista wrote:Have you ever been to America at all? Somehow, I don't think you're qualified to say it's a "terrible" country. And if anything, I never said you can't call on America for being "terrible", but saying they're lagging behind Brazil and Saudi Arabia when they clearly are not is just stupid. But I didn't expect anything better or smarter from you.

I'm exactly as frivolous as you are reactionary. Serves both well.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:25 am

Pilotto wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.

That is what happens when you teach Das Kapital instead of Animal Farm in the 8th grade, Brazil.

Feeding Ayn Rand to the children?

Good God.

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Postby Pilotto » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:25 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:Have you ever been to America at all? Somehow, I don't think you're qualified to say it's a "terrible" country. And if anything, I never said you can't call on America for being "terrible", but saying they're lagging behind Brazil and Saudi Arabia when they clearly are not is just stupid. But I didn't expect anything better or smarter from you.

I'm exactly as frivolous as you are reactionary. Serves both well.

Ah, so we're calling each other names now? Alrighty, commie.

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Postby Pilotto » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:26 am

Agritum wrote:
Pilotto wrote:That is what happens when you teach Das Kapital instead of Animal Farm in the 8th grade, Brazil.

Feeding Ayn Rand to the children?

Good God.

No. George Orwell.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:26 am

Pilotto wrote:Ah, so we're calling each other names now? Alrighty, commie.

:eyebrow: Quem te intrometeu?
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Agritum » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:27 am

Pilotto wrote:
Agritum wrote:Feeding Ayn Rand to the children?

Good God.

No. George Orwell.

Oh, well, the first draft of your post clearly said "Anthem" instead of Animal Farm.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:27 am

Pilotto wrote:
Agritum wrote:Feeding Ayn Rand to the children?

Good God.

No. George Orwell.

People can see edits.

Instead of Animal Farm it was "Anthem".
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:28 am

Pilotto wrote:
Agritum wrote:Feeding Ayn Rand to the children?

Good God.

No. George Orwell.


George Orwell is meh, I don't think any child can understand what's really going on and why did Orwell wrote it. But if you want to tell them a pretty story knock yourself out.

As for Ayn Rand? Fuck no, we don't need more "let's deregulate EVERYTHING! Fuck the government!" type of children out there who only know economics from the mouth of a person who was as wishy washy as her ideology.
Soldati senza confini: Better than an iPod in shuffle more with 20,000 songs.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:29 am

Pilotto wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Brazil is a disastrous clusterfuck in itself. News at 11.

That is what happens when you teach Das Kapital instead of Animal Farm in the 8th grade, Brazil.

Actually, it might not seem like it since I so sincerely choose a side but we were offered both viewpoints.

If there is something that our public education is good at, is Humanities.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Pilotto » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:29 am

Agritum wrote:
Pilotto wrote:No. George Orwell.

Oh, well, the first draft of your post clearly said "Anthem" instead of Animal Farm.

Yes, well, I changed it, because I actually did read Animal Farm in the 8th grade.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:29 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:Have you ever been to America at all? Somehow, I don't think you're qualified to say it's a "terrible" country. And if anything, I never said you can't call on America for being "terrible", but saying they're lagging behind Brazil and Saudi Arabia when they clearly are not is just stupid. But I didn't expect anything better or smarter from you.

I'm exactly as frivolous as you are reactionary. Serves both well.


Was that supposed to be an ad hominem? Ok.
Your nation is like a son. What it does right is your merit, as well as what it does wrong is your fault. When you praise it, be lucid and avoid exaggeration. Praising it too much can make it indolent. On the other hand, when you criticize it, be harsh, but do not ridicule it. Do your best to improve it, not through derision or disdain, but through good examples and dedication.

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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:30 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Pilotto wrote:No. George Orwell.


George Orwell is meh, I don't think any child can understand what's really going on and why did Orwell wrote it. But if you want to tell them a pretty story knock yourself out.

As for Ayn Rand? Fuck no, we don't need more "let's deregulate EVERYTHING! Fuck the government!" type of children out there who only know economics from the mouth of a person who was as wishy washy as her ideology.

I don't see how Animal Farm, 1984, and Homage to Catalonia are "meh".

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Postby Pilotto » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:31 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Pilotto wrote:No. George Orwell.


George Orwell is meh, I don't think any child can understand what's really going on and why did Orwell wrote it. But if you want to tell them a pretty story knock yourself out.

As for Ayn Rand? Fuck no, we don't need more "let's deregulate EVERYTHING! Fuck the government!" type of children out there who only know economics from the mouth of a person who was as wishy washy as her ideology.

Who wants to deregulate everything? That's called anarchy. Less regulation would be good, though.

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