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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:04 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:A general lack of feeling isn't an uncommon aspect of depression, and it can be just as terrible as the moments you're crying your eyes out, if not worse.

I never felt sad, actually. (Wouldn't call frustration, shame and hatred sadness, thinking about it more.)
Accomplishing sadness actually requires a higher degree of activity in many cases than depression allows for. The moments when you cry are usually when you're feeling far better than you usually do.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:04 pm

Utceforp wrote:Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.

That's not at all what takes place.

When you're not feeling, there are plenty of things that you can't do properly.

Like trying to learn things that seem absurd to you.

And giving a fuck about other people in all levels possible. Like you're the ultimate combination of autism and psychopathy.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:05 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Basking Turtles wrote:"I feel nothing"

Recommended reading for everyone who wants to understand depression. It also answers this thread's question.

The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.


As a schizoid who goes through what you described I feel fucking horrible when there's an emergency situation and everyone else thinks I am a psychopath since I do not feel anything at those times.
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Postby Neighbor » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:06 pm

I'd take it for hangovers
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:06 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Utceforp wrote:The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

We have more things to do than being depressed.

And those things are harder to do correctly if you're angry, sad, happy or otherwise distracted. Again, the ideal scenario would be the ability to switch feelings off when you have something useful to do.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:06 pm

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Please take a number and stand quietly with the others.


If he was actually a sociopath would he know he was?

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Postby Shnercropolis » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:06 pm

Nahh. The best emotion is the satisfaction of having nothing to feel emotional about. If I had to give up that, I would surely lose my mind.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:08 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Utceforp wrote:The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.


As a schizoid who goes through what you described I feel fucking horrible when there's an emergency situation and everyone else thinks I am a psychopath since I do not feel anything at those times.

"I feel fucking horrible"

"Everyone else thinks I am a psychopath"

So once again the problem lies with feeling, unnecessary guilt in your case and xenophobia for those around you.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:08 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I never felt sad, actually. (Wouldn't call frustration, shame and hatred sadness, thinking about it more.)
Accomplishing sadness actually requires a higher degree of activity in many cases than depression allows for. The moments when you cry are usually when you're feeling far better than you usually do.

Yes, indeed.

The extreme stress, fear for my life and the safety and mental stability of others, sleep deprivation, pain, weakness and shame that in 2010 made me lose it and cry in some way helped me to wash the "tension" of the 3 previous years. "Há males que vêm para o bem" as my grandmother would say. The horror channel is better than the noisy broken TV, even if it is realistic as a nightmare.
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Postby Streetgrind » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:08 pm

I don't recommend it.
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Postby Basking Turtles » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:09 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Basking Turtles wrote:"I feel nothing"

Recommended reading for everyone who wants to understand depression. It also answers this thread's question.

The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.

You miss the point. If you have no feelings, you have nothing. If you don't feel, you don't want to live. Your emotions give purpose to your life.

The emergency switch might be nice in case of panic attack. That's much more limited than never feeling anything, though, not even comparable.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:09 pm

Utceforp wrote:And those things are harder to do correctly if you're angry, sad, happy or otherwise distracted.

Abso-fucking-lutely not.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:10 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
As a schizoid who goes through what you described I feel fucking horrible when there's an emergency situation and everyone else thinks I am a psychopath since I do not feel anything at those times.

"I feel fucking horrible"

"Everyone else thinks I am a psychopath"

So once again the problem lies with feeling, unnecessary guilt in your case and xenophobia for those around you.


Yea, well, it wouldn't work because it's not healthy not to feel anything. Again, I am a schizoid, it's not healthy to not feel anything at all. No love for your fellow men, no love for your girlfriend, no anger, no sadness when something goes wrong. I wouldn't want to live in such a world just in the tiny bit of experience I have with my own condition.
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Postby Connahkstan » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:11 pm

I probably wouldn't, but I'm a hothead, kind of an idiot, and a semi-hedonist. It's pretty hard to bring me down, and if I am brought down, I'll just lift weights until endorphins kick in.

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Postby Utceforp » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:12 pm

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Utceforp wrote:The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.

You miss the point. If you have no feelings, you have nothing. If you don't feel, you don't want to live. Your emotions give purpose to your life.

The emergency switch might be nice in case of panic attack. That's much more limited than never feeling anything, though, not even comparable.

Usually that purpose mostly just helps yourself, and not others. I see your point, but once you've arbitrarily assigned a purpose to life, emotions just become a hindrance.
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Postby Euloria » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:13 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Basking Turtles wrote:"I feel nothing"

Recommended reading for everyone who wants to understand depression. It also answers this thread's question.

The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.

The problem with this is without feelings, there is no reason to continue. Sure, you could make logical and rational decisions without feelings. But why? To what point? What reward does staying alive give to you without emotions? We are driven to increase happiness, or driven to achieve some goal that we have set our lives after. Without emotions, there is no reason to continue because there is no reason to do anything.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:13 pm

Connahkstan wrote:I probably wouldn't, but I'm a hothead, kind of an idiot, and a semi-hedonist. It's pretty hard to bring me down, and if I am brought down, I'll just lift weights until endorphins kick in.

SCIENCE!

Yeah, sometimes stress can indeed be bigger than a joyful-silly kind of person. It was my case.

It's pretty easy for other people to destroy your self-esteem, and when that takes place, puff, your rock-hardness is gone.
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Postby Euloria » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:13 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Basking Turtles wrote:You miss the point. If you have no feelings, you have nothing. If you don't feel, you don't want to live. Your emotions give purpose to your life.

The emergency switch might be nice in case of panic attack. That's much more limited than never feeling anything, though, not even comparable.

Usually that purpose mostly just helps yourself, and not others. I see your point, but once you've arbitrarily assigned a purpose to life, emotions just become a hindrance.

Why would you want to carry out that assignment? If you gain nothing, why do it.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:14 pm

Euloria wrote:
Utceforp wrote:The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.

The problem with this is without feelings, there is no reason to continue. Sure, you could make logical and rational decisions without feelings. But why? To what point? What reward does staying alive give to you without emotions? We are driven to increase happiness, or driven to achieve some goal that we have set our lives after. Without emotions, there is no reason to continue because there is no reason to do anything.

If you don't have the feeling of satisfaction then there is no point in accomplishing anything.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:14 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Connahkstan wrote:I probably wouldn't, but I'm a hothead, kind of an idiot, and a semi-hedonist. It's pretty hard to bring me down, and if I am brought down, I'll just lift weights until endorphins kick in.

SCIENCE!

Yeah, sometimes stress can indeed be bigger than a joyful-silly kind of person. It was my case.

It's pretty easy for other people to destroy your self-esteem, and when that takes place, puff, your rock-hardness is gone.

The easy thing is to have no self-esteem and then be surprised when you accomplish things. It's nice.
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Postby Euloria » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:15 pm

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Euloria wrote:The problem with this is without feelings, there is no reason to continue. Sure, you could make logical and rational decisions without feelings. But why? To what point? What reward does staying alive give to you without emotions? We are driven to increase happiness, or driven to achieve some goal that we have set our lives after. Without emotions, there is no reason to continue because there is no reason to do anything.

If you don't have the feeling of satisfaction then there is no point in accomplishing anything.

Exactly, without good feelings there is no reason to exist. No one would be scared of death, as fear is a feeling, neither would they want to survive, as self-preservation is also a feeling.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:15 pm

Euloria wrote:
Utceforp wrote:The author describes lacking feeling as boring. Boredom is a feeling.

The world would be a considerably better place if we stopped, as a species, viewing the outside world through the bias caused by individual experiences caused by emotions.

Ideally it would be an on/off switch, and possibly one that can switch off feeling in emergencies when emotion has rendered you unable to think rationally and turn off your irrationality, but since that's arbitrarily not an option, I'd pick not feeling.

The problem with this is without feelings, there is no reason to continue. Sure, you could make logical and rational decisions without feelings. But why? To what point? What reward does staying alive give to you without emotions? We are driven to increase happiness, or driven to achieve some goal that we have set our lives after. Without emotions, there is no reason to continue because there is no reason to do anything.

Even with emotions, life has no purpose. We just need to assign a purpose to life, and a philosopher, a logician or even a random number generator can do that as well as emotion. (Though I would prefer the philosopher or logician)
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:16 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:The easy thing is to have no self-esteem and then be surprised when you accomplish things. It's nice.

In my culture it's very easy to be geeky, especially if you are in the autistic spectrum, and people will overestimate you, and when you fall, you do.
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Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

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Postby Shnercropolis » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:16 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Euloria wrote:The problem with this is without feelings, there is no reason to continue. Sure, you could make logical and rational decisions without feelings. But why? To what point? What reward does staying alive give to you without emotions? We are driven to increase happiness, or driven to achieve some goal that we have set our lives after. Without emotions, there is no reason to continue because there is no reason to do anything.

Even with emotions, life has no purpose. We just need to assign a purpose to life, and a philosopher, a logician or even a random number generator can do that as well as emotion. (Though I would prefer the philosopher or logician)

The purpose of life is to feel satisfied when you die. There are multitudes of ways to accomplish that goal.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:17 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:The easy thing is to have no self-esteem and then be surprised when you accomplish things. It's nice.

In my culture it's very easy to be geeky, especially if you are in the autistic spectrum, and people will overestimate you, and when you fall, you do.

What's your culture?
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