Ron Paul

[Valipac]

No it's not. You do not borrow to invest. You save to invest. It's called Keynesian idiocy.

Explain buying the house that you're gonna live in for presumably the next 50-odd years. Who among the American people who isn't a celebrity didn't have to borrow to make that investment?

A house is not an asset or an investment until you own it (ie it is fully paid off). Until that point, it is a liability.

[Communist Mindrili]

Furthermore, these so-called "investments" aren't necessarily good investments.

As a general rule, politicians spend money where it will benefit politicians--which may not be the most productive use for the money. The most productive use for the money is best found in the market, where people have a vested interest in finding the best return. Politicians are only interested in delivering votes.

Government caused the problem, and only the market can fix it.

Well said Bluth Corporation!

[Communist Mindrili]

No it's not. You do not borrow to invest. You save to invest. It's called Keynesian idiocy.

Explain buying the house that you're gonna live in for presumably the next 50-odd years. Who among the American people who isn't a celebrity didn't have to borrow to make that investment?

If I am going to live there for 50 years, or any period of time really, I am buying a DWELLING, not making and INVESTMENT.

[Milks Empire]

No it's not. You do not borrow to invest. You save to invest. It's called Keynesian idiocy.

Explain buying the house that you're gonna live in for presumably the next 50-odd years. Who among the American people who isn't a celebrity didn't have to borrow to make that investment?

If I am going to live there for 50 years, or any period of time really, I am buying a DWELLING, not making and INVESTMENT.

It's an investment in a future of not having your ass (or the rest of you, for that matter) on the street.

[Communist Mindrili]

If I am going to live there for 50 years, or any period of time really, I am buying a DWELLING, not making and INVESTMENT.

It's an investment in a future of not having your ass (or the rest of you, for that matter) on the street.[/quote]

So in that case, RENT is an investment. You are wrong.

[Phenia]

Of course buying a dwelling is an investment. You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. But I think this is a bit of an irrelevant tangent. The stimulus bill is not a dwelling.

[Communist Mindrili]

Of course buying a dwelling is an investment. You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. But I think this is a bit of an irrelevant tangent. The stimulus bill is not a dwelling.

So if I rent, I am not allowed to work? Holy shit I've been employed illegally. I gas I have to quit my job.

[Phenia]

Of course buying a dwelling is an investment. You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. But I think this is a bit of an irrelevant tangent. The stimulus bill is not a dwelling.

So if I rent, I am not allowed to work?

I don't even know how the hell you pulled that strawman out of your butt nor do I want to be around when you start burning it.

Holy shit I've been employed illegally. I gas I have to quit my job.

...damn, too late to escape the fumes. Yikes.

[Jahka]

So your point is, Libertarians must be compliant with YOUR magical definition of libertarianism? There's plenty of pro-life libertarians.

You can't be pro-life and libertarian. You're one or the other. Call yourself both only if you're prepared to be called a liar and a hypocrite.

Well, to be fair. A libertarian could say the un-born child has a right to live...

I am against abortion, but I am pro-choice. I just kinda ignore it. That's what real libertarians should do, lol.

[Communist Mindrili]

Of course buying a dwelling is an investment. You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. But I think this is a bit of an irrelevant tangent. The stimulus bill is not a dwelling.

You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. Your words not mine.

[Phenia]

Of course buying a dwelling is an investment. You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. But I think this is a bit of an irrelevant tangent. The stimulus bill is not a dwelling.

You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. Your words not mine.

My words don't mean "If I pay rent I can't work." Rent can be seen as an investment too and for the same reasons. A house of course is a bigger and more long-term investment.

[Valipac]

Of course buying a dwelling is an investment. You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. But I think this is a bit of an irrelevant tangent. The stimulus bill is not a dwelling.

You are investing in a legal residence which allows you to legally work and thus make money. Your words not mine.

My words don't mean "If I pay rent I can't work." Rent can be seen as an investment too and for the same reasons. A house of course is a bigger and more long-term investment.

Rent is in no way an investment. There is no possible return from rent. You don't even need residence for a job, you only need a PO Box.

[Cameroi]

ron paul was ... interesting. but i'd still rather have who we've got.

[Milks Empire]

My words don't mean "If I pay rent I can't work." Rent can be seen as an investment too and for the same reasons. A house of course is a bigger and more long-term investment.

Rent is in no way an investment. There is no possible return from rent. You don't even need residence for a job, you only need a PO Box.

There's a definite return. It's called you're not in a cardboard box in a back alley crawling with feral cats. Not every return need be monetary, and, while we're on that topic, not every investment need be made with money.

[Lizardiar]

Ron Paul in charge of U.S=



In every country in the world.

[Bluth Corporation]

Ron Paul in charge of U.S=



In every country in the world.

Johnson tried the same smear against Goldwater, and it was just as classless, absurd, wrong, and childish then as it is now.

[The_pantless_hero]

There's a definite return. It's called you're not in a cardboard box in a back alley crawling with feral cats. Not every return need be monetary, and, while we're on that topic, not every investment need be made with money.

You have a very broad definition of investment, one I get the impression is wrong.

[Hamilay]

Ron Paul in charge of U.S=



In every country in the world.

I don't support Ron Paul, but given that he runs on a platform of non-intervention, this accusation is rather bizarre...

[Gift-of-god]

Well, for the sake of argument, wouldnt the Government regulating the female reproductive system be a little anti-libertarian?

Well...not necessarily.

If one holds that life begins at conception (I don't), then banning abortions is no different than banning murder--which libertarians, of course, support totally. To these libertarians, it's not "regulating the reproductive system" any more than banning assualt is "regulating the fist." What is being forbidden is doing something to another human being, not doing something to or with one's own body.

It's perfectly consistent with libertarianism, assuming one holds the premise I mentioned.

And that sort of 'libertarianism' completely ignores the fact that the fetus is doing something to another human being without the other person's consent. Very consistent.

[The_pantless_hero]

Never mind the fact that what qualifies as "another human being" is a subjective mind field.

[Galloism]

Never mind the fact that what qualifies as "another human being" is a subjective mind field.

What's a mind field?

[The_pantless_hero]

Never mind the fact that what qualifies as "another human being" is a subjective mind field.

What's a mind field?

A field full of psychoactive brains, arn't you paying attention? Go play Psychonauts.

[Political Spectrum]

Ron Paul in charge of U.S=



In every country in the world.

What? Is that because he warned of both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars BEFORE 9/11? Is that because of his non-interventionist foreign policy? What exactly are you saying? You don't make sense.

[Zicrious]

I hate how people support Ron Paul, he is a complete jerk. They really don't know anything about him. There is one thing that people need to realize.
1. He opposed the ADA and said disabled people are insignificant. Meaning he didnt want any disabled people to get an education or healthcare or pursue a career. If the ADA were not passed, taxes would be much higher because at least 1% of the population would be eliminated from the workforce.

So what?

Everyone knows they're a burden on the families and society, so unlike Hitler instead of inhumanely killing them lets just deny them health care and a shot at a career (not that they had one) and spare the tax payers a few dollars and not put burden on anyone else for their nature given miss fortunes.

[Bluth Corporation]

And that sort of 'libertarianism' completely ignores the fact that the fetus is doing something to another human being without the other person's consent. Very consistent.

Unless it was rape, you know what you're getting yourself into.

Like I said, I don't accept the premise that a fetus is a separate human being in its own right. But if one does, opposition to abortion is perfectly consistent with libertarianism.