Appeals court says school had right to ban U.S. flag T-shirt

[Farnhamia]

Meh. I think people are making too much of an issue out of this. If a school wants to ban a piece of clothing for a particular legitimate reason, that's fine. That said, there really is no point in giving them a reason to ban it. The flag isn't offensive, just as long as people aren't being inflammatory and shoving it in other people's faces.

Which they were, so good, we're done here.

[United Marxist Nations]

Strictly speaking, you're right--it's not the fact that I reject it that makes it untrue.

Instead, it's the fact that the radical left, for the most part, explicitly rejects a number of the fundamental precepts of liberalism, that makes it untrue.

Fine. What label do you prefer? Progressive?

>Is far-left.
>Posts multiple things by far-leftists to show that it is opposed to liberalism.
>Get's ignored.
>MFW: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... rHoxha.jpg

[United Marxist Nations]

Strictly speaking, you're right--it's not the fact that I reject it that makes it untrue.

Instead, it's the fact that the radical left, for the most part, explicitly rejects a number of the fundamental precepts of liberalism, that makes it untrue.

Fine. What label do you prefer? Progressive?

I could also break out an excerpt from Lenin's essay "A Liberal Professor on Equality", where he attacks liberalism as the petty-bourgeois ideology that it is, or, of course, Engels's Anti-Duhring.

I never called you a liberal. You're a Marxist, which is several degrees beyond liberalism.

Marxists are; however, far-left. So, you calling the far-left liberal is still wrong. Still, I appreciate you making that clear.

[Pilotto]

Meh. I think people are making too much of an issue out of this. If a school wants to ban a piece of clothing for a particular legitimate reason, that's fine. That said, there really is no point in giving them a reason to ban it. The flag isn't offensive, just as long as people aren't being inflammatory and shoving it in other people's faces.

Which they were, so good, we're done here.

The students have a right to wear the flag, they do not have the right to shove it in anyone else's face. If they do, then they should be punished as individuals.
So do we all agree? Are we done here?

[Trotskylvania]

ITT, nothing but a bunch of jingoistic outrage from people who are grossly misinformed about the facts of the case and the law.

FACT: The Constitution doesn't grant students unrestricted license to free speech, per Tinker: speech that is disruptive to the school's educational mission can be curtailed.
FACT: Some kids decided to wear American flag t-shirts in a deliberate ploy to disrupt Cinco de Mayo celebration. This finding is is key to the court's decision.
FACT: Promoting ethnic conflict is contrary to a school's educational mission, as well as downright indecent in any society that pretends to be civilized.

The only reason why there is any attention given to this at all is the racism of a large sector of the American population, which is beautifully on display in this thread.

Right, if anyone disagrees with you then call them a racist. A classic liberal policy.

No, I generally restrict myself to calling racists what they are.

Listen, you are not fooling anyone. This ain't about free speech, this is entirely about a bunch of dirty wetbacks and how you feel that red-blooded Americans have every right to harass and taunt them for their cultural heritage. Supporting people who are admittedly, deliberately, trying to turn the American flag into a weapon against ethnic minorities and taunt them for their cultural heritage is absolutely vile, and I will not stand for American flag to be misused in so vile of a manner.

If we are to pretend that it means anything as a symbol of liberty at all, this is deplorable behavior. There's a time and a place for most things, but wearing the American flag to deliberately say to people on one of their cultural celebrations that they aren't really Americans is bullshit, and it doesn't belong in a school of all places.

[Frisivisia]

ITT, nothing but a bunch of jingoistic outrage from people who are grossly misinformed about the facts of the case and the law.

FACT: The Constitution doesn't grant students unrestricted license to free speech, per Tinker: speech that is disruptive to the school's educational mission can be curtailed.
FACT: Some kids decided to wear American flag t-shirts in a deliberate ploy to disrupt Cinco de Mayo celebration. This finding is is key to the court's decision.
FACT: Promoting ethnic conflict is contrary to a school's educational mission, as well as downright indecent in any society that pretends to be civilized.

The only reason why there is any attention given to this at all is the racism of a large sector of the American population, which is beautifully on display in this thread.

Right, if anyone disagrees with you then call them a racist. A classic liberal policy.

Right, if you act racist just call them a liberal and pretend racism isn't a thing. A classic racist policy.

[Frisivisia]

It's not at all true. The radical left is not liberal. Only someone with, yes, the most laughably superficial understanding of leftist thought would insist that it is.

Like I said, you can reject the label all you want, that doesn't make it any less true.

Wow, it's like I could say the exact same thing with some different words!

[Viritica]

Right, if anyone disagrees with you then call them a racist. A classic liberal policy.

No, I generally restrict myself to calling racists what they are.

Listen, you are not fooling anyone. This ain't about free speech, this is entirely about a bunch of dirty wetbacks and how you feel that red-blooded Americans have every right to harass and taunt them for their cultural heritage. Supporting people who are admittedly, deliberately, trying to turn the American flag into a weapon against ethnic minorities and taunt them for their cultural heritage is absolutely vile, and I will not stand for American flag to be misused in so vile of a manner.

If we are to pretend that it means anything as a symbol of liberty at all, this is deplorable behavior. There's a time and a place for most things, but wearing the American flag to deliberately say to people on one of their cultural celebrations that they aren't really Americans is bullshit, and it doesn't belong in a school of all places.

Right, those durn Mexicans! Get them thurrr dirty critters off ma lawn before I get muh shotgun! Yee haw!



Oops, I blew my cover.

[Viritica]

Right, if anyone disagrees with you then call them a racist. A classic liberal policy.

Right, if you act racist just call them a liberal and pretend racism isn't a thing. A classic racist policy.

Who said I didn't think racism was real?

[Frisivisia]

Right, if you act racist just call them a liberal and pretend racism isn't a thing. A classic racist policy.

Who said I didn't think racism was real?

It was your implication that there's a trend of "liberals" calling things racist when they're not, given that conservatives rarely if ever call anything racist outside of people who call things racist, it seems like you're saying that racism is basically a non-problem.

[Pope Joan]

The wearing of the flag was intended to incite to violence. On other days it would have been fine to wear the flag. That day, no.

Maybe they could impose a free speech zone on these rednecks, the way they do Westboro Baptist at military funerals.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/0 ... ous-speech

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014183653

Sometimes principle has to yield to common sense.

Besides, these are not ordinary citizens; they are hormone-driven juveniles.

[Frisivisia]

Which they were, so good, we're done here.

The students have a right to wear the flag, they do not have the right to shove it in anyone else's face. If they do, then they should be punished as individuals.
So do we all agree? Are we done here?

No, because you're wrong. Punishing individuals just means they'll come back and start more trouble.

[Trotskylvania]

Strictly speaking, you're right--it's not the fact that I reject it that makes it untrue.

Instead, it's the fact that the radical left, for the most part, explicitly rejects a number of the fundamental precepts of liberalism, that makes it untrue.

Fine. What label do you prefer? Progressive?

I could also break out an excerpt from Lenin's essay "A Liberal Professor on Equality", where he attacks liberalism as the petty-bourgeois ideology that it is, or, of course, Engels's Anti-Duhring.

I never called you a liberal. You're a Marxist, which is several degrees beyond liberalism.

The difference between Marxism and liberalism is not a difference of degree, it is a difference of kind.

[United Marxist Nations]

Fine. What label do you prefer? Progressive?


I never called you a liberal. You're a Marxist, which is several degrees beyond liberalism.

The difference between Marxism and liberalism is not a difference of degree, it is a difference of kind.

Good point, I noticed it, I just didn't press the point to avoid a threadjack.

[Frisivisia]

No, I generally restrict myself to calling racists what they are.

Listen, you are not fooling anyone. This ain't about free speech, this is entirely about a bunch of dirty wetbacks and how you feel that red-blooded Americans have every right to harass and taunt them for their cultural heritage. Supporting people who are admittedly, deliberately, trying to turn the American flag into a weapon against ethnic minorities and taunt them for their cultural heritage is absolutely vile, and I will not stand for American flag to be misused in so vile of a manner.

If we are to pretend that it means anything as a symbol of liberty at all, this is deplorable behavior. There's a time and a place for most things, but wearing the American flag to deliberately say to people on one of their cultural celebrations that they aren't really Americans is bullshit, and it doesn't belong in a school of all places.

Right, those durn Mexicans! Get them thurrr dirty critters off ma lawn before I get muh shotgun! Yee haw!



Oops, I blew my cover.

Given that that wasn't a response, I guess you're accepting all of the arguments made here?

[ALMF]

Being disruptive to the educational environment by provoking your classmates for shits and giggles is generally against school rules, makes sense.

the problem is when the nations flag is seen as a provocation.

if folks find the flag of the nation provoctive, they should go some place that does not piss them off so much.

If black cristions find a burning cross provocative they shuld find annother religon?

[RoarkVarakian]

Speaking as a Canadian, I think this is absolutely uncalled for what is gonna happen with The 4th of July? Gonna ban Latin Flag shirts or other apparel? What about any other american holidays? Gonna ban them then too? This right here Is proof that racism is an illusion, are white people Racists? some of them could be considered racist.... That is if you leave out the fact that other "Races" seem to be able to say what ever they wasn't to about white people and not get shit for it. During a trip To NYC I watched a black man call a white Cop a Cracker and walk away, When I asked why he hadnt done any thing he replied "Because It would be racist to reprimand him in any way"

This "Racism" bullshit has gone way too far... I guess thats what happens when your Race once dominated the world and then suddenly turns into a bunch of little bitches....

[Viritica]

Right, those durn Mexicans! Get them thurrr dirty critters off ma lawn before I get muh shotgun! Yee haw!



Oops, I blew my cover.

Given that that wasn't a response, I guess you're accepting all of the arguments made here?

Nope. I'm just poking fun at his baseless implication that I'm a dirty wetback who hates Mexicans.

[Viritica]

Who said I didn't think racism was real?

It was your implication that there's a trend of "liberals" calling things racist when they're not, given that conservatives rarely if ever call anything racist outside of people who call things racist, it seems like you're saying that racism is basically a non-problem.

I'm not saying that. But it's basically liberal programming that, if anyone disagrees with you, they must be a racist.

Racism exists. Just not on the scale that liberals make it out to be.

[Flau Byeregenie]

a dirty wetback who hates Mexicans.

Uh.

[Frisivisia]

It was your implication that there's a trend of "liberals" calling things racist when they're not, given that conservatives rarely if ever call anything racist outside of people who call things racist, it seems like you're saying that racism is basically a non-problem.

I'm not saying that. But it's basically liberal programming that, if anyone disagrees with you, they must be a racist.

Racism exists. Just not on the scale that liberals make it out to be.

Heh, that's wrong AND actionable!

[Flau Byeregenie]

Racism exists. Just not on the scale that liberals make it out to be.

Actually, it exists on a pretty wide scale. In fact, it remains embedded in American society.

Racism has nothing to do with intent, after all.

[Frisivisia]

Given that that wasn't a response, I guess you're accepting all of the arguments made here?

Nope. I'm just poking fun at his baseless implication that I'm a dirty wetback who hates Mexicans.

Um... Okay.

Maybe you should learn a little more about race relations before declaring that all liberals are wrong in their calling anyone racist?

[Viritica]

Nope. I'm just poking fun at his baseless implication that I'm a dirty wetback who hates Mexicans.

Um... Okay.

Maybe you should learn a little more about race relations before declaring that all liberals are wrong in their calling anyone racist?

Uh huh, was that supposed to be a response or no?

[United Marxist Nations]

Nope. I'm just poking fun at his baseless implication that I'm a dirty wetback who hates Mexicans.

Um... Okay.

Maybe you should learn a little more about race relations before declaring that all liberals are wrong in their calling anyone racist?

He should also probably learn a little more about his racial & ethnic slurs, judging by how he used "wetback."