Triumph des Willens - Greatest Film Ever Created

[Tagmatium]

Did anyone, at any point in your life, teach you world history? And no, your grandfather doesn't count.


I don't care if your grandfather faithfully served in that embarrassingly insane abomination of a regime. Nazi Germany was the epitome of failure, which makes that piece of garbage propaganda called Triumph des Willens all the more ironically delectable. It barely lasted twelve years, left an entire continent in ruins, with millions of innocents butchered, and the only thing it accomplished in the end was bring an end to European supremacy in the world stage, leaving the world in the hands of the United States and the USSR. Oh, and just to top it off, it also meant the definitive loss of the old Prussian eastern territories. Good job there, master race.

World History is a class I have right now in the college I attend.

It ended abruptly because the corrupt warmongers could not bare to see a successful nation which did not conform to their fragile sensibilities.

So they invaded Poland?

[Vorkova]

Did anyone, at any point in your life, teach you world history? And no, your grandfather doesn't count.


I don't care if your grandfather faithfully served in that embarrassingly insane abomination of a regime. Nazi Germany was the epitome of failure, which makes that piece of garbage propaganda called Triumph des Willens all the more ironically delectable. It barely lasted twelve years, left an entire continent in ruins, with millions of innocents butchered, and the only thing it accomplished in the end was bring an end to European supremacy in the world stage, leaving the world in the hands of the United States and the USSR. Oh, and just to top it off, it also meant the definitive loss of the old Prussian eastern territories. Good job there, master race.

World History is a class I have right now in the college I attend.

It ended abruptly because the corrupt warmongers could not bare to see a successful nation which did not conform to their fragile sensibilities.

So success to you is a massive national debt, ineffective political system and corrupt leadership?

[Gravlen]

I'm not the only one tired of winter, I see...


"They"? Who are "they"?


Yet you support genocide in principle, so that's a moot point.

Northerners - Germans.

I do not support genocide, mass deportation is not genocide, friend

You "agree with the Race laws", which included compulsory sterilizations and extermination of the Untermenschen. Ergo, you support genocide.

[Themiclesia]

Did anyone, at any point in your life, teach you world history? And no, your grandfather doesn't count.


I don't care if your grandfather faithfully served in that embarrassingly insane abomination of a regime. Nazi Germany was the epitome of failure, which makes that piece of garbage propaganda called Triumph des Willens all the more ironically delectable. It barely lasted twelve years, left an entire continent in ruins, with millions of innocents butchered, and the only thing it accomplished in the end was bring an end to European supremacy in the world stage, leaving the world in the hands of the United States and the USSR. Oh, and just to top it off, it also meant the definitive loss of the old Prussian eastern territories. Good job there, master race.

Part of the USSR was in Europe, you know.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

Northerners - Germans.

I do not support genocide, mass deportation is not genocide, friend

You "agree with the Race laws", which included compulsory sterilizations and extermination of the Untermenschen. Ergo, you support genocide.

Not extermination, population management and deportation.

That is not genocide.

[Gravlen]

World History is a class I have right now in the college I attend.

It ended abruptly because the corrupt warmongers could not bare to see a successful nation which did not conform to their fragile sensibilities.

So success to you is a massive national debt, ineffective political system and corrupt leadership?

Also gross violations of human rights - about the worst we've seen in modern day - as well as an absolute disdain for the rule of law.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

World History is a class I have right now in the college I attend.

It ended abruptly because the corrupt warmongers could not bare to see a successful nation which did not conform to their fragile sensibilities.

So they invaded Poland?

Nazi leadership wanted to connect the Eastern territories with the rest of the Reich, and had a right to do so. The criminal polish government denied them that.

[Vorkova]

So success to you is a massive national debt, ineffective political system and corrupt leadership?

Also gross violations of human rights - about the worst we've seen in modern day - as well as an absolute disdain for the rule of law.

I'd say that absolute power corrupts, but Hitler was corrupt long before he was elected.

[Themiclesia]

Also gross violations of human rights - about the worst we've seen in modern day - as well as an absolute disdain for the rule of law.

I'd say that absolute power corrupts, but Hitler was corrupt long before he was elected.

I believe we're only discussing the film, though.

[Tagmatium]

So they invaded Poland?

Nazi leadership wanted to connect the Eastern territories with the rest of the Reich, and had a right to do so. The criminal polish government denied them that.

Which started a war...

I dunno, the mental gymnastics of you people amuses and bewilders me.

[Liriena]

Did anyone, at any point in your life, teach you world history? And no, your grandfather doesn't count.


I don't care if your grandfather faithfully served in that embarrassingly insane abomination of a regime. Nazi Germany was the epitome of failure, which makes that piece of garbage propaganda called Triumph des Willens all the more ironically delectable. It barely lasted twelve years, left an entire continent in ruins, with millions of innocents butchered, and the only thing it accomplished in the end was bring an end to European supremacy in the world stage, leaving the world in the hands of the United States and the USSR. Oh, and just to top it off, it also meant the definitive loss of the old Prussian eastern territories. Good job there, master race.

World History is a class I have right now in the college I attend.

I seriously doubt it. Anyone who knows at least the basics of World History would be able to find at least fifteen empires that far surpassed Nazi Germany in sheer political, economic and military might, as well as stability, influence on the rest of the world, and lifespan... and that's without counting Chinese dynasties.

It ended abruptly because the corrupt warmongers could not bare to see a successful nation which did not conform to their fragile sensibilities.

Indeed, those corrupt German warmongers could not bare to see a successful nation such as, for instance, France, which did not conform to their fragile sensibilities. Wow, we actually agreed on something.

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Anyway, back to the topic: Triumph des Willens is not the best film in human history. There's dozens of films that have far more artistic, cultural and historical value than that rotten piece of Nazi propaganda. For instance, Federico Fellini's 8½, my personal favourite film of all times. It has fantastic cinematography, outstanding performances, unforgettable music, fascinating dialogues, intriguing premises, and well-fleshed out themes.

[Gravlen]

You "agree with the Race laws", which included compulsory sterilizations and extermination of the Untermenschen. Ergo, you support genocide.

Not extermination, population management and deportation.

That is not genocide.

Article 6: Genocide

For the purpose of this Statute, "genocide" means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

[...]

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Genocide.

Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

[...]

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Genocide

You are supporting genocide.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

Nazi leadership wanted to connect the Eastern territories with the rest of the Reich, and had a right to do so. The criminal polish government denied them that.

Which started a war...

I dunno, the mental gymnastics of you people amuses and bewilders me.

The allies declared war on Nazi Germany, Hitler sought peace with them, but they rejected it.

[Liriena]

Did anyone, at any point in your life, teach you world history? And no, your grandfather doesn't count.


I don't care if your grandfather faithfully served in that embarrassingly insane abomination of a regime. Nazi Germany was the epitome of failure, which makes that piece of garbage propaganda called Triumph des Willens all the more ironically delectable. It barely lasted twelve years, left an entire continent in ruins, with millions of innocents butchered, and the only thing it accomplished in the end was bring an end to European supremacy in the world stage, leaving the world in the hands of the United States and the USSR. Oh, and just to top it off, it also meant the definitive loss of the old Prussian eastern territories. Good job there, master race.

Part of the USSR was in Europe, you know.

Of course... but I do hope you got my drift?

[Liriena]

Which started a war...

I dunno, the mental gymnastics of you people amuses and bewilders me.

The allies declared war on Nazi Germany, Hitler sought peace with them, but they rejected it.

[Vorkova]

I'd say that absolute power corrupts, but Hitler was corrupt long before he was elected.

I believe we're only discussing the film, though.

Would this not concern Hitler in general since he was in the film?

[Themiclesia]

Part of the USSR was in Europe, you know.

Of course... but I do hope you got my drift?

As much as Europe was in a great position during the 19th Century and the most industrialized continent, I agree. And, likewise, her supremacy, provided that the definition of supremacy is limited to industry and military power.

[Tagmatium]

Which started a war...

I dunno, the mental gymnastics of you people amuses and bewilders me.

The allies declared war on Nazi Germany, Hitler sought peace with them, but they rejected it.

Although Hitler started the war by invading Poland, along with false flag operations and the like.

But, of course, it's the fault of everyone else that Hitler decided to take on the whole world.

They're the warmongers, not the rabid madman and his posse of the corrupt and the stupid.

[Empire of Narnia]

It is not the greatest film ever created, because Disney was not involved.

Also, it was made by the Nazis, who are like the enemy of fun.

[Themiclesia]

I believe we're only discussing the film, though.

Would this not concern Hitler in general since he was in the film?

Since John Q. Doe is also in the film, I don't see why not. But we're discussing him as he appears in the film, not his political ideas.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

The allies declared war on Nazi Germany, Hitler sought peace with them, but they rejected it.

Although Hitler started the war by invading Poland, along with false flag operations and the like.

But, of course, it's the fault of everyone else that Hitler decided to take on the whole world.

They're the warmongers, not the rabid madman and his posse of the corrupt and the stupid.

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

[Liriena]

Although Hitler started the war by invading Poland, along with false flag operations and the like.

But, of course, it's the fault of everyone else that Hitler decided to take on the whole world.

They're the warmongers, not the rabid madman and his posse of the corrupt and the stupid.

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

Source?

[Rio Cana]

Have not seem the film the OP is talking about but it seems to be a propaganda film. The German Film industry which had been independent was put under government control in the pre-WW II years.

As part of the process of Gleichschaltung all film production in Germany was subordinate to the Reichsfilmkammer, which was directly responsible to Goebbel's Propaganda ministry, and all those employed in the industry had to be members of the Reichsfachschaft Film. "Non-Aryan" film professionals and those whose politics or personal life were unacceptable to the Nazis were excluded from the Reichsfachschaft and thus denied employment in the industry. Some 3,000 individuals were affected by this employment ban. In addition, as journalists were also organised as a division of the Propaganda Ministry, Goebbels was able to abolish film criticism in 1936 and replace it with Filmbeobachtung (film observation); journalists could only report on the content of a film, not offer judgement on its artistic or other worth.

With the German film industry now effectively an arm of the totalitarian state, no films could be made that were not ostensibly in accord with the views of the ruling regime.,

The following is a German film (with English subtitles) which was made in 1932. It actually shows what was happening in Germany during those times. Movie was even banned by the Weimar republic but the ban was lifted because of popular protest.
Movie - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlcIp7phUqw

[Tagmatium]

Although Hitler started the war by invading Poland, along with false flag operations and the like.

But, of course, it's the fault of everyone else that Hitler decided to take on the whole world.

They're the warmongers, not the rabid madman and his posse of the corrupt and the stupid.

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

So he sought peace after he'd caused a war.

But we're going around in circles.

[Vorkova]

Would this not concern Hitler in general since he was in the film?

Since John Q. Doe is also in the film, I don't see why not. But we're discussing him as he appears in the film, not his political ideas.

Fair enough.