Triumph des Willens - Greatest Film Ever Created

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

I have a feeling that those who embrace the murderous symbol of Communism could not reconcile the glory of National Socialism.

The irony of a nazi talking about murderous symbols...

The Hakenkreuz is a symbol of hope, social justice, and strength - for me.

[New Libertarian States]

What do you mean?

I have a feeling that those who embrace the murderous symbol of Communism could not reconcile the glory of National Socialism.

>Says Conmunism is murderous
>Likes German National Socalism
>.>
<.<

Also, title is misspelt. It should read "The Room, the greatest movie ever"
*nods*

[Neu Leonstein]

The German economy was not inefficient. The unemployment was below 1%, and it was the top producer of Europe until late 1944.

I'm generally happy to cut folks like you more slack around this time of the year. I'm even letting your pretending to be Austrian slide. But you should stay away from economics. It shows your ignorance, and there's only so much of that I can take.

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[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

I have a feeling that those who embrace the murderous symbol of Communism could not reconcile the glory of National Socialism.

>Says Conmunism is murderous
>Likes German National Socalism
>.>
<.<

Also, title is misspelt. It should read "The Room, the greatest movie ever"
*nods*

I have a question.

Does your flag have any relevance to Norse Mythology?

[Indira]

The German economy was not inefficient. The unemployment was below 1%, and it was the top producer of Europe until late 1944.

I'm generally happy to cut folks like you more slack around this time of the year. I'm even letting your pretending to be Austrian slide. But you should stay away from economics. It shows your ignorance, and there's only so much of that I can take.

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Thanks, I was looking for that

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

The German economy was not inefficient. The unemployment was below 1%, and it was the top producer of Europe until late 1944.

I'm generally happy to cut folks like you more slack around this time of the year. I'm even letting your pretending to be Austrian slide. But you should stay away from economics. It shows your ignorance, and there's only so much of that I can take.

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Please, do not accuse me of lying. I am Austrian, and I understand your being envious

Lee, Stephen (1996). Weimar and Nazi Germany. Oxford: Heinemann. p. 85. ISBN 043530920X
Germany had less than 1% unemployment.

[New Libertarian States]

You don't think the murder of six million+ people isn't a problem?

Well, most of the ones who murdered the poor Jews were Ukrainians, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, etc.

They blamed Jews for the Soviet invasions.

My grandfather who was in the SS himself, does not and did not have a problem with Jews.

Er, no.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
And Jews were not the only ones killed.

[Indira]

The irony of a nazi talking about murderous symbols...

The Hakenkreuz is a symbol of hope, social justice, and strength - for me.

Social justice generally doesn't involve murdering six million+ people because they're 'impure'

[Avenio]

It's also one of the hottest summers on record in Australia right now, which is surely influencing our current predicament.

I do not understand what the relevance of the season is

Of course you wouldn't.

[New Libertarian States]

>Says Conmunism is murderous
>Likes German National Socalism
>.>
<.<

Also, title is misspelt. It should read "The Room, the greatest movie ever"
*nods*

I have a question.

Does your flag have any relevance to Norse Mythology?

It's a Nationstates Gameplay thing, it's the flag for the region I am in.
And from what I know, yes it is.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

The Hakenkreuz is a symbol of hope, social justice, and strength - for me.

Social justice generally doesn't involve murdering six million+ people because they're 'impure'

You cannot apply one aspect to the entire social justice movement and generalize the whole thing.

I agree with the Race laws, and the abolition of class conflict.

The institution of the Hitlerjugend, the ban on smoking, etc.

[Vorkova]

Triumph of the Wills was nothing but another propaganda film. There's nothing magical or special about it.

[New Libertarian States]

Social justice generally doesn't involve murdering six million+ people because they're 'impure'

You cannot apply one aspect to the entire social justice movement and generalize the whole thing.

I agree with the Race laws, and the abolition of class conflict.

The institution of the Hitlerjugend, the ban on smoking, etc.

Wut.
So you believe that black people should be sterilized?

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

Triumph of the Wills was nothing but another propaganda film. There's nothing magical or special about it.

The events that took place in the film did exist.

[Themiclesia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8

Triumph des Willens - Triumph of the Will

/truth.

This film shows us the glory, prestige, and honor of the greatest nation to ever exist on this Earth - Nazi Germany.

I say this is personal opinion.

The patriotism, the splendor, the unity and everything else, is what makes Nazi Germany amazing.

Let it be known that bad things could be amazing too.

Militarism, discipline, virtually no unemployment, Nationalism, no more class conflict, no more exploitation.

Class conflict is made acute by the Nazis more than anything else. They tried to impose a Germans vs. everybody else class structure.

This film is the greatest film I have ever seen, my grandfather who served honorably in the ranks of heroes, the Allgemeine, Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler" is a a witness to this great time, where discipline, order, and obedience flowed and the German people celebrated joyously across the nation.

From a cinematographic point of view, it is a fine work.

The film is mesmerizing, awe-inspiring, and grabs at your heart. The feeling I get from watching the magnificent film, is impossible to convey with simple words.

We generally credit the director (or, in this case, a directress) for that, not the actors.

This film truly captures the glory of Nazi Germany, as well as the mastery of Adolf Hitler's amazing leadership.

And likewise the ugliness of dictatorship and hatred, I say.

You do not have to agree with his politics, but you have to admit, he is the only modern leader to ever move his people into a revolutionary new idea and create modern era's leading Super Power of the time.

I gather many people managed better -- look at Solon, who instituted democracy, an idea that still stands as majestic as ever, as opposed to this downtrodden piece of trash glorified in the film.

I think Triumph des Willens shows us what the most amazing Nation in the world to ever exist had, what it wanted, what it consisted of.

Your amazement is yours, and I am not to take it away.

I truly wish Nazi Germany was still around.

Likewise, I can't say I share your wish.

There are those who say they invaded my country, but we wanted to be with our brothers in the North. Austria willingly accepted our destiny - Greater Germany.

With such statements one could prove and disprove anything and everything.

Even those who are not National Socialists agree that this film is among the greatest, if not the greatest.

So, ultimately, we are comparing films to films, not nations to nations. Lion King is the best in my opinion, and Atlantis a close second, if you wanted to know.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

You cannot apply one aspect to the entire social justice movement and generalize the whole thing.

I agree with the Race laws, and the abolition of class conflict.

The institution of the Hitlerjugend, the ban on smoking, etc.

Wut.
So you believe that black people should be sterilized?

I do not want to derail the thread.

[Vorkova]

Triumph of the Wills was nothing but another propaganda film. There's nothing magical or special about it.

The events that took place in the film did exist.

I never suggested they didn't.

[New Libertarian States]

Wut.
So you believe that black people should be sterilized?

I do not want to derail the thread.

Then don't bring it up.

[Neu Leonstein]

Please, do not accuse me of lying. I am Austrian, and I understand your being envious

Lol. Mir reicht mein deutscher Pass, danke. Aber es sind mir schon so einige untergekommen, die irgendwelche deutschen Vorfahren hatten, und an denen sonst halt nichts weiter besonderes ist. Besonders in der Schule ist es dann leicht, sich in was reinzusteigern. Und dann stellt man sich halt leicht mal vor, deutsch zu sein. Oder oesterreichisch halt.

Aber keine Sorge, da waechst du auch noch wieder raus.

Lee, Stephen (1996). Weimar and Nazi Germany. Oxford: Heinemann. p. 85. ISBN 043530920X
Germany had less than 1% unemployment.

Mind sending through a link?

Firstly, unemployment is just a statistic. You put a bunch of dudes in the army, they're not unemployed. Remove a whole bunch of dudes from the labour force, they're not unemployed. Unemployment means nothing, especially in an economy set up like the Nazi one was. You're better off looking at production, and there the Nazi economy was useless compared to the US or USSR, both in absolute terms and in terms of efficiency.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You don't think the murder of six million+ people isn't a problem?

Well, most of the ones who murdered the poor Jews were Ukrainians, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, etc.

They blamed Jews for the Soviet invasions.

My grandfather who was in the SS himself, does not and did not have a problem with Jews.

I can have quite some fun, and good conversations with Nazi's, really. A debate with you guys always touches my very soul, which makes it feel like I'm using the dark side in a 'duel of the fates' kind of debate.

But stop it. Really, you're going too far. Don't say the Germans were not responsible for the eleven million civilians murdered in the death camps. Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz... German run, German made and German used camps to exterminate people on an industrial scale. Don't blame it on the Slavs. Yes, they did some things, too. Not nice things, either. But there is a difference between hatred and the mass extermination of an entire ethnic group, because yo believe them to be inferior. Germany was responsible for every single death in the concentration camps in the period 1933-1946, and it was because they were National Socialist. Because they believed other races were inferior, and because a Nazi government can't take criticism, eleven million people died. These murders are not simply a byproduct of your ideology. They are inherent. The National Socialist ideology has to be brutal, aggressive and merciless to work. The same goes for a Stalinist state. The inherent violence of such a system cannot be ignored, and is enough proof for me that a fascist state will never work.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

The events that took place in the film did exist.

I never suggested they didn't.

Propaganda is not a terrible thing, it is healthy for the people to see such a thing - they then try to create that same feeling in their daily lives.

Propaganda is not meant to be a documentary, it is meant to be a goal. "What you see is what can be, so fight for it"

[New Libertarian States]

I never suggested they didn't.

Propaganda is not a terrible thing, it is healthy for the people to see such a thing - they then try to create that same feeling in their daily lives.

Propaganda is not meant to be a documentary, it is meant to be a goal. "What you see is what can be, so fight for it"

Because racial superiority is the best thing to do to unite a people.
Not, you know, uniting all people under a common banner and trying to help everyone, which would be much better for a countries economy.

[Themiclesia]

[quote="Neu Leonstein";p="19056534]Firstly, unemployment is just a statistic. You put a bunch of dudes in the army, they're not unemployed. Remove a whole bunch of dudes from the labour force, they're not unemployed. Unemployment means nothing, especially in an economy set up like the Nazi one was. You're better off looking at production, and there the Nazi economy was useless compared to the US or USSR, both in absolute terms and in terms of efficiency.[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly. Under the Nazis, women are discounted from the unemployment statistics, and government employees that are not deemed "German" (and I use the term with quotation marks) are booted in favour of "German" unemployed males.

[Themiclesia]

[quote="Tapferkeit und Ehre";p="19056548Propaganda is not a terrible thing, it is healthy for the people to see such a thing - they then try to create that same feeling in their daily lives.[/quote]

I love seeing propaganda, just like watching farces.

Propaganda is not meant to be a documentary, it is meant to be a goal. "What you see is what can be, so fight for it"

I say that "instrument" is a better term for a propaganda.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

Please, do not accuse me of lying. I am Austrian, and I understand your being envious

Lol. Mir reicht mein deutscher Pass, danke. Aber es sind mir schon so einige untergekommen, die irgendwelche deutschen Vorfahren hatten, und an denen sonst halt nichts weiter besonderes ist. Besonders in der Schule ist es dann leicht, sich in was reinzusteigern. Und dann stellt man sich halt leicht mal vor, deutsch zu sein. Oder oesterreichisch halt.

Aber keine Sorge, da waechst du auch noch wieder raus.

Lee, Stephen (1996). Weimar and Nazi Germany. Oxford: Heinemann. p. 85. ISBN 043530920X
Germany had less than 1% unemployment.

Mind sending through a link?

Firstly, unemployment is just a statistic. You put a bunch of dudes in the army, they're not unemployed. Remove a whole bunch of dudes from the labour force, they're not unemployed. Unemployment means nothing, especially in an economy set up like the Nazi one was. You're better off looking at production, and there the Nazi economy was useless compared to the US or USSR, both in absolute terms and in terms of efficiency.

Well, I was told not to use German. But I will respond in English.

All I have to say, is that over here in the USA, there are those that talk about ancestry, and then there are those that pretend they are of Germany.

I do not know why you find it so hard to believe, I am not pretending to be Austrian, there is no reason for me to lie.

It makes no difference - Austrian - Italian - German - Dane - Niederlander - French

Anyone can argue for National Socialism.

Having pride in being Austrian, does not mean I am pretending to be Austrian.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to accuse me of such, it is truly a sad day when brother rises against brother. "Bruder gegen Bruder"

As far as production, the industry was ravaged by the allies, of course they would produce less than them