Triumph des Willens - Greatest Film Ever Created

[Cannot think of a name]

So there's this story, maybe apocryphal because I can't find any reference to it at the moment, but even so I think is relevant.

It turns out, as the story goes, that turkeys choose their mate based on size. The bigger the turkey, the more the male turkey is all about it.

In other words, turkey's like big butts and they will not lie. Well, maybe they'll lie, but not about their love of big female turkeys.

So researchers, being researchers, wanted to know how far this shit would go. Would they fuck a ridiculously giant turkey? Or even a fake ridiculously large turkey? They put a ridiculously large clearly fake female turkey with a bunch of other completely real female turkeys...and all the male turkeys ignored the completely real, completely valid and sincere female turkeys and all gathered around the giant fake turkey and tried to fuck it.

But it was a fake turkey. They could fuck it all they want, it would just sit there being a fake turkey, while real female turkeys sat around, ignored.

I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on the relevance of this story, about male turkeys gathering around a giant fake turkey trying to fuck it like it was real.

[Risottia]

This film shows us the glory, prestige, and honor of the greatest nation to ever exist on this Earth - Nazi Germany.

Yeah, the great Nazi Germany. The regime that managed to smear Germany's name forever and to turn it into a wasteland, occupied by foreign powers and dependent on foreign aid for years while getting a huge lot of Germans killed in the process.

Even those who are not National Socialists agree that this film is among the greatest, if not the greatest.

Frankly, bullshit.
It's a fairly interesting propaganda movie, with some interesting photography.

There are a LOT of better films around.

[Tagmatium]

I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on the relevance of this story, about male turkeys gathering around a giant fake turkey trying to fuck it like it was real.

But it's difficult not to indulge them and post a reply...

[Frisivisia]

So there's this story, maybe apocryphal because I can't find any reference to it at the moment, but even so I think is relevant.

It turns out, as the story goes, that turkeys choose their mate based on size. The bigger the turkey, the more the male turkey is all about it.

In other words, turkey's like big butts and they will not lie. Well, maybe they'll lie, but not about their love of big female turkeys.

So researchers, being researchers, wanted to know how far this shit would go. Would they fuck a ridiculously giant turkey? Or even a fake ridiculously large turkey? They put a ridiculously large clearly fake female turkey with a bunch of other completely real female turkeys...and all the male turkeys ignored the completely real, completely valid and sincere female turkeys and all gathered around the giant fake turkey and tried to fuck it.

But it was a fake turkey. They could fuck it all they want, it would just sit there being a fake turkey, while real female turkeys sat around, ignored.

I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on the relevance of this story, about male turkeys gathering around a giant fake turkey trying to fuck it like it was real.

What if I enjoy fucking the fake turkey? Maybe I don't have the money for a kid right now.

[Vicious Debaters]

So there's this story, maybe apocryphal because I can't find any reference to it at the moment, but even so I think is relevant.

It turns out, as the story goes, that turkeys choose their mate based on size. The bigger the turkey, the more the male turkey is all about it.

In other words, turkey's like big butts and they will not lie. Well, maybe they'll lie, but not about their love of big female turkeys.

So researchers, being researchers, wanted to know how far this shit would go. Would they fuck a ridiculously giant turkey? Or even a fake ridiculously large turkey? They put a ridiculously large clearly fake female turkey with a bunch of other completely real female turkeys...and all the male turkeys ignored the completely real, completely valid and sincere female turkeys and all gathered around the giant fake turkey and tried to fuck it.

But it was a fake turkey. They could fuck it all they want, it would just sit there being a fake turkey, while real female turkeys sat around, ignored.

I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on the relevance of this story, about male turkeys gathering around a giant fake turkey trying to fuck it like it was real.

You deserve bonus points. This is an excellent perspective, and a very good point.

Also, that's a fascinating study.

I'd say /thread, but usually threads that involve nazism end when they're locked, or when everybody loses interest. We still have a little while left.

[The Scientific States]

I'm extremely surprised that the mods let these troll threads exist.

[Kelinfort]

I like my movies to be propaganda free.

[Ifreann]

So there's this story, maybe apocryphal because I can't find any reference to it at the moment, but even so I think is relevant.

It turns out, as the story goes, that turkeys choose their mate based on size. The bigger the turkey, the more the male turkey is all about it.

In other words, turkey's like big butts and they will not lie. Well, maybe they'll lie, but not about their love of big female turkeys.

So researchers, being researchers, wanted to know how far this shit would go. Would they fuck a ridiculously giant turkey? Or even a fake ridiculously large turkey? They put a ridiculously large clearly fake female turkey with a bunch of other completely real female turkeys...and all the male turkeys ignored the completely real, completely valid and sincere female turkeys and all gathered around the giant fake turkey and tried to fuck it.

But it was a fake turkey. They could fuck it all they want, it would just sit there being a fake turkey, while real female turkeys sat around, ignored.

I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on the relevance of this story, about male turkeys gathering around a giant fake turkey trying to fuck it like it was real.

I bet Triumph des Willens would have been greatly improved by the addition of a huge turkey.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

From the aspect of the techniques and technologies used, and ONLY from these aspects, Triumph des Willens was a milestone for it's time.
For it's time.
Today, we have techniques and technologies, which can make Riefenstahl look like a schoolgirl with a mobile phone camera

As for what it shows... she herself might have claimed at some point, that it was 'just' a documentary and maybe it was her intent - but what was it used as? What was it seen as? What is it today seen as?
As a propaganda movie.
As a propaganda movie for what would later become one of the... Jesus, I can't find the words, neither in my mothertongue nor in English. We all know, what NS-Germany did, although a very certain person needs a quick reminder.

So, let us continue with the sacred tradition of tearing apart the opening post bit by bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8

Triumph des Willens - Triumph of the Will

So far, you are correct. Maybe.
You could have mentioned, that the video wasn't available in certain countries, like Germany, but let's say that is an honest mistake.

This film shows us the glory, prestige, and honor of the greatest nation to ever exist on this Earth - Nazi Germany.

What glory?
What prestige?
What honour?
Despite these three questions, I would like to point out, that I can list you dozens upon dozens of nations far greater then NS-Germany just in a minute of thinking - among them, Weimar-Germany ("Roaring Twenties, Baby!" ), the Federal Republic of Germany (a.k.a. modern Germany, for all it's faults still a greater nation then the little Austrian could have even dreamed of in his wettest dreams) and the German Democratic Republic (has the better jokes - Warum is die Banane krumm? - Weil sie nen Bogen um die DDR macht!).

The patriotism, the splendor, the unity and everything else, is what makes Nazi Germany amazing.

I would call the "patriotism" nationalism and the unity as a "do as we say or die". I would also call "everything else [...] what makes Nazi Germany amazing" by the word "nothing", but that aside, what do you think, is this "everything else [...] what makes Nazi Germany amazing"?
I am honestly interested and please do not begin with your oneliners or the argument of the 1%-below unemployment, we all know by now, that this one was shooting into an oven.

Militarism, discipline, virtually no unemployment, Nationalism, no more class conflict, no more exploitation.

Yes, due to that, was already debunked, is shit anyway, lol... and I thought one had to read Grimm's Fairy Tales for exactly that...
Truth is, the class conflict simply reversed: Before, the Herr Professor was greeted by the simple janitor with much servility, as much as possible, because he was Herr Professor, a person of much higher social standing. Then, the janitor became Blockleiter or something within the NS-rankstructure, so now he had the higher standing and he loved it. And he exploited it, because now Herr Professor had to greet him with as much servility as possible because doing otherwise would be a risk, to say the least (GeStaPo was worse then the NSA).
As for exploitation... I will simply leave this here. And before you begin to argue, that the Soviets did the same, they are a story for themselves.

This film is the greatest film I have ever seen,

Your opinion, not mine.

my grandfather who served honorably in the ranks of heroes, the Allgemeine, Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler" is a a witness to this great time, where discipline, order, and obedience flowed and the German people celebrated joyously across the nation.

Let's just say, that he did serve in the Leibstandarte, then I do not really think, that he is a reliable source. I am saying this as a historian.
Anyway, I wouldn't call it a great time, because everything, what makes a nation great, culture and arts, basically came to standstill. Oh, and "the German people celebrated joyously across the nation" - eeenope. For example the Jews didn't. Or social democrats. Or everybody thinking, that the little Austrian and his goons might should bake smaller breads.

The film is mesmerizing, awe-inspiring, and grabs at your heart.

From what I have seen, which I have to admit was basically the Best Of, I could not disagree with you more. I think, from the scenes which I have seen, that the movie is as interesting as watching paint dry or grass grow (which both are far more productive things to do then watching this... movie), unless you are interested in Riefenstahl's techniques and methods (which I am not).

The feeling I get from watching the magnificent film, is impossible to convey with simple words.

You never know unless you try, so please tell the world, what you feel for this piece of propaganda.

This film truly captures the glory of Nazi Germany, as well as the mastery of Adolf Hitler's amazing leadership.

One has to give Hitler one thing and one thing only: He could give speeches. Bloody hell, he could give speeches.
But other then that, he was a figurehead. The GröFaZ simply had sheer dumb luck up to the moment he decided to mess with Stalin, an equal to him in many aspects, and none of them are good (at least Stalin could sing, while I highly doubt, that the Little Austrian was able to distinguish a pencil from a telephone!)
As for NS-Germany's glory... what glory in this grey and dull spot on a map?

You do not have to agree with his politics, but you have to admit, he is the only modern leader to ever move his people into a revolutionary new idea and create modern era's leading Super Power of the time.

Lenin, anyone?
As for national socialism being a "new idea"... ever heard of a man called Benito Mussolini?

I think Triumph des Willens shows us what the most amazing Nation in the world to ever exist had, what it wanted, what it consisted of.

It painted a picture of itself in, metaphorically speaking, rose colours. And you seem dumb enough to fall for it.
Sorry to put it this way.

I truly wish Nazi Germany was still around.

I don't. Mainly because I am German and I do not wish to live in such a dull place.

There are those who say they invaded my country, but we wanted to be with our brothers in the North. Austria willingly accepted our destiny - Greater Germany.

You mean 38? The Anschluss?
A great part of the Austrians wanted that, but most certainly not all. And, by all love for the Land der Mozartkugeln und der Kaffeehäuser, I wouldn't call them 'brothers'. Distant cousins, maybe, but most certainly not brothers.

Even those who are not National Socialists agree that this film is among the greatest, if not the greatest.

It doesn't have anything to do with being National Socialist or not. It is a simple matter of liking or something not - and one can't really argue liking or not. And I don't like it.
At all.
I think, that even Twilight is a far greater movie then Triumph des Willens.

And you want to say with this... what again?

Finally, from the arguments you presented, the way you did it and the stubborn way you try and fail to defend your position... I could not feel more ashamed to be German. You are an insult to anyone having German as his mothertongue.
And so that you can understand it in your grandfather's native language, if he was, what you claimed him to be: Du bist eine Beleidigung für alles, was sich auch nur entfernt als "deutsch", "deutschsprachig" oder "aus Deutschland kommend" oder natürlich auch "österreichisch" oder "aus Österreich kommend" bezeichnen darf. Und dein Großvater, der diesen Mist wahrscheinlich auch noch heute verteidigt, ist eine noch größere Beleidigung.

mfg,
FR Herodas

Are you deliberately trying to be rude?

I am your elder; or do you go around saying "du bist" to everyone you meet?

[Northwest Slobovia]

This film shows us the glory, prestige, and honor of the greatest nation to ever exist on this Earth - Nazi Germany.

Yeah, the great Nazi Germany. The regime that managed to smear Germany's name forever and to turn it into a wasteland, occupied by foreign powers and dependent on foreign aid for years while getting a huge lot of Germans killed in the process.

This is precisely why I don't understand Nazi envy: by their own standards -- military might and national will -- they demonstrated that they were so small and impotent when the right moment came.

But WRT the topic, the movie is beautifully terrifying. It's excellent staged propaganda, and it hits of a number human psychological hot buttons. I recommend people see it if only to be mentally vaccinated against similar sorts of propaganda.

[The Nuclear Fist]

The Nazi economy, efficient?

Ha ha ha.

[Cannot think of a name]

So there's this story, maybe apocryphal because I can't find any reference to it at the moment, but even so I think is relevant.

It turns out, as the story goes, that turkeys choose their mate based on size. The bigger the turkey, the more the male turkey is all about it.

In other words, turkey's like big butts and they will not lie. Well, maybe they'll lie, but not about their love of big female turkeys.

So researchers, being researchers, wanted to know how far this shit would go. Would they fuck a ridiculously giant turkey? Or even a fake ridiculously large turkey? They put a ridiculously large clearly fake female turkey with a bunch of other completely real female turkeys...and all the male turkeys ignored the completely real, completely valid and sincere female turkeys and all gathered around the giant fake turkey and tried to fuck it.

But it was a fake turkey. They could fuck it all they want, it would just sit there being a fake turkey, while real female turkeys sat around, ignored.

I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on the relevance of this story, about male turkeys gathering around a giant fake turkey trying to fuck it like it was real.

I bet Triumph des Willens would have been greatly improved by the addition of a huge turkey.

New career goal: Redo Triumph of the Will using only turkeys...

[Mike the Progressive]

That's a load of crap. Liam Neeson movies are the greatest films ever created.

[Trotskylvania]

Honourable my arse. Or does this not count?

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 6460,d.bGQ

The German economy was also pretty inefficient.

I am not sure what the problem is?

The German economy was not inefficient. The unemployment was below 1%, and it was the top producer of Europe until late 1944.

The Soviets produced 1/5th the coal, 1/3 the iron ore, and one quarter of the aluminum compared to Germany and its puppets over the course of the War. Yet, they managed to produce twice as many tanks and self-propelled guns, four times as many artillery pieces, three times as many machine guns, and thirty percent more military aircraft of all kinds.

So much for Nazi efficiency.

[Cannot think of a name]

self-propelled guns

This isn't nearly as cool as it sounds, is it.

So much for Nazi efficiency.

Panic is a great productivity tool.

[Trotskylvania]

self-propelled guns

This isn't nearly as cool as it sounds, is it.

Zveroboy, AKA St. John's Wort, the cure for what ails you.

[Thafoo]

That's a load of crap. Liam Neeson movies are the greatest films ever created.

Taken 3: Give Us All Of Our Daughters Back

[Cannot think of a name]

That's a load of crap. Liam Neeson movies are the greatest films ever created.

Taken 3: Give Us All Of Our Daughters Back

How many sequels is until it's "Now Give Me Your Daughters"?

This isn't nearly as cool as it sounds, is it.

Zveroboy, AKA St. John's Wort, the cure for what ails you.

I stand corrected. Though little machine guns running around on legs would have been pretty cool...

[Thafoo]

Taken 3: Give Us All Of Our Daughters Back

How many sequels is until it's "Now Give Me Your Daughters"?

That's saved for Oprah.

"A DAUGHTER FOR YOU! A DAUGHTER FOR YOU! EVERYBODY GETS A DAUGHTER!"

[Kelinfort]

That's a load of crap. Liam Neeson movies are the greatest films ever created.

Especially Schindler's List ... I mean Taken is ok.

But certainly not this propaganda piece.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

That's a load of crap. Liam Neeson movies are the greatest films ever created.

Especially Schindler's List ... I mean Taken is ok.

But certainly not this propaganda piece.

I found Schindler's List very offensive.

Taken highlighted the fact that those Eastern Europeans are still engaging in barbarous acts of sex-slave trafficking, they are left unchecked.

[Cannot think of a name]

Especially Schindler's List ... I mean Taken is ok.

But certainly not this propaganda piece.

I found Schindler's List very offensive.

Taken highlighted the fact that those Eastern Europeans are still engaging in barbarous acts of sex-slave trafficking, they are left unchecked.

I'd say you're trying too hard, but who can even see the bar at this point...

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

I found Schindler's List very offensive.

Taken highlighted the fact that those Eastern Europeans are still engaging in barbarous acts of sex-slave trafficking, they are left unchecked.

I'd say you're trying too hard, but who can even see the bar at this point...

What am I trying too hard? What bar? You are not making any sense.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'd say you're trying too hard, but who can even see the bar at this point...

What am I trying too hard? What bar? You are not making any sense.

http://www.texavery.com/sounds/breakitup.wav

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

What am I trying too hard? What bar? You are not making any sense.

http://www.texavery.com/sounds/breakitup.wav

You are one of those that think someone that does not agree with your viewpoint is trolling?