Triumph des Willens - Greatest Film Ever Created

[Themiclesia]

Although Hitler started the war by invading Poland, along with false flag operations and the like.

But, of course, it's the fault of everyone else that Hitler decided to take on the whole world.

They're the warmongers, not the rabid madman and his posse of the corrupt and the stupid.

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

He sought not peace, but dominion. That sort of peace which Hitler sought is merely an excuse for war, as it is a peace, known to Hitler, that none would ever accept. It was not a sincere offer.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

Source?

The Germans contacted the British embassador in Sweden during the invasion of France - Victor Mallet, through Sweden´s Supreme Court judge Ekeberg, who was known to Hitler´s legal advisor, Ludwig Weissauer.

"Hitler, according to his emissary [Weissauer], feels himself responsible for the future of the White race. He sincerely wishes friendship with England. He wishes peace to be restored, but the ground must be prepared for it: only after careful preparation may official negotiations begin. Until then the condition must be considered that discussions be unofficial and secret. [...]

Hitler´s basic ideas [are that] today´s economic problems are different from those of the past [...] In order to achieve economic progress one must calculate on the basis of big territories and consider them an economic unit. Napoleon tried, but in his days it wasnt possible because France wasnt in the center of Europe and communications were too hard. Now Germany is in the center of Europe and has the necessary means to provide communication and transportation services.

England and America now have the best fleets and will naturally continue to, because they will need the oceans for their supply. Germany has the continent. In what concerns Russia, Weissauer has given the impression that it should be seen as a potential enemy. "

According to Mallet, these were Hitler´s peace terms:

"1-The British Empire retains all its Colonies and delegations
2- Germany´s continental supremacy won't be questioned
3- All questions concerning the Mediterranean and its French, Belgian and Dutch colonies are open to discussion
4- Poland. A Polish state must exist
5- Checkoslovakia must belong to Germany

Weissauer didn´t go into details, but Ekeberg understood that implied that all European states occupied by Germany would see their sovereignty restored. Germany´s occupation was only due to the present military situation.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitler-Hess-Dec ... 0007141181

[Tagmatium]

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

Source?

The weird mental gymnastics of the Nazi fanboys.

[Tagmatium]

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

He sought not peace, but dominion. That sort of peace which Hitler sought is merely an excuse for war, as it is a peace, known to Hitler, that none would ever accept. It was not a sincere offer.

But it was the other nations of the world that were the big meanies!

[New Libertarian States]

Although Hitler started the war by invading Poland, along with false flag operations and the like.

But, of course, it's the fault of everyone else that Hitler decided to take on the whole world.

They're the warmongers, not the rabid madman and his posse of the corrupt and the stupid.

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

Er
Wat
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
THIS isn't wanting peace?
Bending over and letting Hitler do whatever he wanted ISN'T wanting peace?
Clearly we should have let hitler take all of Europe, and butcher everyone he and his warmomging party didn't like.
For peace.
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[Themiclesia]

He sought not peace, but dominion. That sort of peace which Hitler sought is merely an excuse for war, as it is a peace, known to Hitler, that none would ever accept. It was not a sincere offer.

But it was the other nations of the world that were the big meanies!

Other nations are not represented in the film called "Triumph des Willens" and probably are beyond the topic of this thread.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Nation's Pride was a better Nazi film IMO.

[Tapferkeit und Ehre]

Nation's Pride was a better Nazi film IMO.

Can you link me to a video?

I only know of Triumph des Willens because of my grandfather who showed it to me when I was 14

[European Socialist Republic]

The Great Dictator was better.

[Liriena]

Nation's Pride was a better Nazi film IMO.

The Great Dictator was better.

[Vorkova]

The Great Dictator was better.

/thread

[Priory Academy USSR]

Nation's Pride was a better Nazi film IMO.

Can you link me to a video?

I only know of Triumph des Willens because of my grandfather who showed it to me when I was 14

It's the propaganda film in the film Inglourious Basterds. Here's the video.

[The New Lowlands]

Die Nazis waren alle Verräter der Ideale Deutschlands.

It's Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit for a reason.

[Liriena]

Source?

The Germans contacted the British embassador in Sweden during the invasion of France - Victor Mallet, through Sweden´s Supreme Court judge Ekeberg, who was known to Hitler´s legal advisor, Ludwig Weissauer.

"Hitler, according to his emissary [Weissauer], feels himself responsible for the future of the White race. He sincerely wishes friendship with England. He wishes peace to be restored, but the ground must be prepared for it: only after careful preparation may official negotiations begin. Until then the condition must be considered that discussions be unofficial and secret. [...]

Hitler´s basic ideas [are that] today´s economic problems are different from those of the past [...] In order to achieve economic progress one must calculate on the basis of big territories and consider them an economic unit. Napoleon tried, but in his days it wasnt possible because France wasnt in the center of Europe and communications were too hard. Now Germany is in the center of Europe and has the necessary means to provide communication and transportation services.

England and America now have the best fleets and will naturally continue to, because they will need the oceans for their supply. Germany has the continent. In what concerns Russia, Weissauer has given the impression that it should be seen as a potential enemy. "

According to Mallet, these were Hitler´s peace terms:

"1-The British Empire retains all its Colonies and delegations
2- Germany´s continental supremacy won't be questioned
3- All questions concerning the Mediterranean and its French, Belgian and Dutch colonies are open to discussion
4- Poland. A Polish state must exist
5- Checkoslovakia must belong to Germany

Weissauer didn´t go into details, but Ekeberg understood that implied that all European states occupied by Germany would see their sovereignty restored. Germany´s occupation was only due to the present military situation.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitler-Hess-Dec ... 0007141181

Ah huh...

[European Socialist Republic]

Nation's Pride was a better Nazi film IMO.

The Great Dictator was better.

Well, it's true, isn't it?

[Gravlen]

Someone should intercut Triumph des Willens with Holocaust imagery. I'm sure the end result would have a powerful impact, as well as showing the nightmare land the "greatest nation to ever exist" became after focusing on glory, prestige, and honor while completely disregarding their humanity.

[Indira]

Social justice generally doesn't involve murdering six million+ people because they're 'impure'

You cannot apply one aspect to the entire social justice movement and generalize the whole thing.

I agree with the Race laws, and the abolition of class conflict.

The institution of the Hitlerjugend, the ban on smoking, etc.

The murder of six million+ is hardly a 'small aspect' It's the culmination of the policies that nazism endorsed. You can't claim 'justice' in any system that approves of race laws and mass extermination.

And the abolition of 'class conflict' never really happened either.

[Liriena]

Well, it's true, isn't it?

Definitely.

[Great German States]

It is frequently used as stock footage in many films and shows.

Like what?

I've only seen it once, when I was 14.

My grandfather showed it to me, and it is in part why I am today a National Socialist.


Believe me - The Holocaust was a terrible thing, but genocide and National Socialism do NOT have to go hand in hand.


I only wish after Hitler became paranoid, someone like Rommel or Guderian took the helm.

It is stock footage in many documentaries and movies relating to the Nazis like Anne Frank: The Whole Story.

[Estado Paulista]

Summer: 40+ degrees, wet season (which means no internet or TV for me), stupid threads on NSG, kids pretending to be German/Austrian/[insert 'cool' nationality here] and that their relatives served said country's army. I fucking hate it.

[Neu Leonstein]

Summer: 40+ degrees, wet season (which means no internet or TV for me), stupid threads on NSG, kids pretending to be German/Austrian/[insert 'cool' nationality here] and that their relatives served said country's army. I fucking hate it.

This one is a particularly stubborn case too.

[Liriena]

Summer: 40+ degrees, wet season (which means no internet or TV for me), stupid threads on NSG, kids pretending to be German/Austrian/[insert 'cool' nationality here] and that their relatives served said country's army. I fucking hate it.

Yep.

[Indira]

He sought peace.

The allies rejected.

They are clearly the warmongers.

Source?

I think he's talking about appeasement. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 6460,d.bGQ

Which as history shows, doesn't work

[European Socialist Republic]

Well, it's true, isn't it?

Definitely.

Good. And now stratz mit ze uldensackt! Und stratz mit sei öldensackt! Und nach der unbelievte Sauerkraut mit der Juden!

[Herodas]

From the aspect of the techniques and technologies used, and ONLY from these aspects, Triumph des Willens was a milestone for it's time.
For it's time.
Today, we have techniques and technologies, which can make Riefenstahl look like a schoolgirl with a mobile phone camera

As for what it shows... she herself might have claimed at some point, that it was 'just' a documentary and maybe it was her intent - but what was it used as? What was it seen as? What is it today seen as?
As a propaganda movie.
As a propaganda movie for what would later become one of the... Jesus, I can't find the words, neither in my mothertongue nor in English. We all know, what NS-Germany did, although a very certain person needs a quick reminder.

So, let us continue with the sacred tradition of tearing apart the opening post bit by bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8

Triumph des Willens - Triumph of the Will

So far, you are correct. Maybe.
You could have mentioned, that the video wasn't available in certain countries, like Germany, but let's say that is an honest mistake.

This film shows us the glory, prestige, and honor of the greatest nation to ever exist on this Earth - Nazi Germany.

What glory?
What prestige?
What honour?
Despite these three questions, I would like to point out, that I can list you dozens upon dozens of nations far greater then NS-Germany just in a minute of thinking - among them, Weimar-Germany ("Roaring Twenties, Baby!" ), the Federal Republic of Germany (a.k.a. modern Germany, for all it's faults still a greater nation then the little Austrian could have even dreamed of in his wettest dreams) and the German Democratic Republic (has the better jokes - Warum is die Banane krumm? - Weil sie nen Bogen um die DDR macht!).

The patriotism, the splendor, the unity and everything else, is what makes Nazi Germany amazing.

I would call the "patriotism" nationalism and the unity as a "do as we say or die". I would also call "everything else [...] what makes Nazi Germany amazing" by the word "nothing", but that aside, what do you think, is this "everything else [...] what makes Nazi Germany amazing"?
I am honestly interested and please do not begin with your oneliners or the argument of the 1%-below unemployment, we all know by now, that this one was shooting into an oven.

Militarism, discipline, virtually no unemployment, Nationalism, no more class conflict, no more exploitation.

Yes, due to that, was already debunked, is shit anyway, lol... and I thought one had to read Grimm's Fairy Tales for exactly that...
Truth is, the class conflict simply reversed: Before, the Herr Professor was greeted by the simple janitor with much servility, as much as possible, because he was Herr Professor, a person of much higher social standing. Then, the janitor became Blockleiter or something within the NS-rankstructure, so now he had the higher standing and he loved it. And he exploited it, because now Herr Professor had to greet him with as much servility as possible because doing otherwise would be a risk, to say the least (GeStaPo was worse then the NSA).
As for exploitation... I will simply leave this here. And before you begin to argue, that the Soviets did the same, they are a story for themselves.

This film is the greatest film I have ever seen,

Your opinion, not mine.

my grandfather who served honorably in the ranks of heroes, the Allgemeine, Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler" is a a witness to this great time, where discipline, order, and obedience flowed and the German people celebrated joyously across the nation.

Let's just say, that he did serve in the Leibstandarte, then I do not really think, that he is a reliable source. I am saying this as a historian.
Anyway, I wouldn't call it a great time, because everything, what makes a nation great, culture and arts, basically came to standstill. Oh, and "the German people celebrated joyously across the nation" - eeenope. For example the Jews didn't. Or social democrats. Or everybody thinking, that the little Austrian and his goons might should bake smaller breads.

The film is mesmerizing, awe-inspiring, and grabs at your heart.

From what I have seen, which I have to admit was basically the Best Of, I could not disagree with you more. I think, from the scenes which I have seen, that the movie is as interesting as watching paint dry or grass grow (which both are far more productive things to do then watching this... movie), unless you are interested in Riefenstahl's techniques and methods (which I am not).

The feeling I get from watching the magnificent film, is impossible to convey with simple words.

You never know unless you try, so please tell the world, what you feel for this piece of propaganda.

This film truly captures the glory of Nazi Germany, as well as the mastery of Adolf Hitler's amazing leadership.

One has to give Hitler one thing and one thing only: He could give speeches. Bloody hell, he could give speeches.
But other then that, he was a figurehead. The GröFaZ simply had sheer dumb luck up to the moment he decided to mess with Stalin, an equal to him in many aspects, and none of them are good (at least Stalin could sing, while I highly doubt, that the Little Austrian was able to distinguish a pencil from a telephone!)
As for NS-Germany's glory... what glory in this grey and dull spot on a map?

You do not have to agree with his politics, but you have to admit, he is the only modern leader to ever move his people into a revolutionary new idea and create modern era's leading Super Power of the time.

Lenin, anyone?
As for national socialism being a "new idea"... ever heard of a man called Benito Mussolini?

I think Triumph des Willens shows us what the most amazing Nation in the world to ever exist had, what it wanted, what it consisted of.

It painted a picture of itself in, metaphorically speaking, rose colours. And you seem dumb enough to fall for it.
Sorry to put it this way.

I truly wish Nazi Germany was still around.

I don't. Mainly because I am German and I do not wish to live in such a dull place.

There are those who say they invaded my country, but we wanted to be with our brothers in the North. Austria willingly accepted our destiny - Greater Germany.

You mean 38? The Anschluss?
A great part of the Austrians wanted that, but most certainly not all. And, by all love for the Land der Mozartkugeln und der Kaffeehäuser, I wouldn't call them 'brothers'. Distant cousins, maybe, but most certainly not brothers.

Even those who are not National Socialists agree that this film is among the greatest, if not the greatest.

It doesn't have anything to do with being National Socialist or not. It is a simple matter of liking or something not - and one can't really argue liking or not. And I don't like it.
At all.
I think, that even Twilight is a far greater movie then Triumph des Willens.

And you want to say with this... what again?

Finally, from the arguments you presented, the way you did it and the stubborn way you try and fail to defend your position... I could not feel more ashamed to be German. You are an insult to anyone having German as his mothertongue.
And so that you can understand it in your grandfather's native language, if he was, what you claimed him to be: Du bist eine Beleidigung für alles, was sich auch nur entfernt als "deutsch", "deutschsprachig" oder "aus Deutschland kommend" oder natürlich auch "österreichisch" oder "aus Österreich kommend" bezeichnen darf. Und dein Großvater, der diesen Mist wahrscheinlich auch noch heute verteidigt, ist eine noch größere Beleidigung.

mfg,
FR Herodas