What if Lucifer is the good guy and God is the bad one?

[The Alma Mater]

Bwahahahahahahaha. You totally went for the Indiana jones reference. Bravo. Well done.

No, Satan is not named. So, who was controlling the talking snake then?

Does anyone need to be?

I mean, God does punish all snakes forever because of its actions (admittedly "you shall crawl on your belly all of your days" isn't much of a punishment for a snake, but still), and that would make even less sense if the snake was being manipulated.

Remember how gods son killed a poor little bush because it would not give him fruit out of season. With great power comes .. very little sense.

[Maharo]

Again I will say that God did some things but only out of love)

An excuse often heard from abusers. "I am only hitting you because I love you". "I am only killing your brother because I love you". "I am only drowning every man, woman, child and cute furry little animal on the planet except yourselves because I love you".

At what point would you stop believing that rather lame excuse ?

Until the ducking day everybody stops that (seriously who would fucking kill your brother in front of you)

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Humans are designed not to sin? If that is true, what do you believe then is original sin?

It is not made by God. Original sin is caused by Satan who deceived Eve to bite the fruit of knowledge.

God made Satan, and Satan caused Eve to bite the fruit, and God created Adam and Eve with teh knowledge that they would betray, how are they not designed to sin?

[Maharo]

It is not made by God. Original sin is caused by Satan who deceived Eve to bite the fruit of knowledge.

God made Satan, and Satan caused Eve to bite the fruit, and God created Adam and Eve with teh knowledge that they would betray, how are they not designed to sin?

They aren't originally. Now we're designed with the choice to sin whether you like it or not.

[The Alma Mater]

An excuse often heard from abusers. "I am only hitting you because I love you". "I am only killing your brother because I love you". "I am only drowning every man, woman, child and cute furry little animal on the planet except yourselves because I love you".

At what point would you stop believing that rather lame excuse ?

Until the ducking day everybody stops that (seriously who would fucking kill your brother in front of you)

Plenty of people. Heck, Fritzl killed the children he conceived with his daughter right in front of her for years - and she still believed he did all he did out of love for her.

[Maharo]

Until the ducking day everybody stops that (seriously who would fucking kill your brother in front of you)

Plenty of people. Heck, Fritzl killed the children he conceived with his daughter right in front of her for years - and she still believed he did all he did out of love for her.

Well that woman needs to go to the fucking Doctor.

[The Alma Mater]

Plenty of people. Heck, Fritzl killed the children he conceived with his daughter right in front of her for years - and she still believed he did all he did out of love for her.

Well that woman needs to go to the fucking Doctor.

As do Christians who believe God comitted his atrocities out of love. Indeed.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well that woman needs to go to the fucking Doctor.

As do Christians who believe God comitted his atrocities out of love. Indeed.

Eh, I must agree with this assessment.

[Maharo]

Well that woman needs to go to the fucking Doctor.

As do Christians who believe God comitted his atrocities out of love. Indeed.

Alright. I'll believe what I want to believe and you can believe what you want to believe (if you believe In anything that is)

[Sun Wukong]

God made Satan, and Satan caused Eve to bite the fruit, and God created Adam and Eve with teh knowledge that they would betray, how are they not designed to sin?

They aren't originally. Now we're designed with the choice to sin whether you like it or not.

Look: If I build a car, and I sold it knowing that a part of it would inevitably fail, resulting in death, I would be brought up on charges for that. And it wouldn't be any defense to say, "the car was not designed to crash."

[Sun Wukong]

As do Christians who believe God comitted his atrocities out of love. Indeed.

Alright. I'll believe what I want to believe and you can believe what you want to believe (if you believe In anything that is)

My beliefs are an obligate condition. I don't choose them.

[Maharo]

They aren't originally. Now we're designed with the choice to sin whether you like it or not.

Look: If I build a car, and I sold it knowing that a part of it would inevitably fail, resulting in death, I would be brought up on charges for that. And it wouldn't be any defense to say, "the car was not designed to crash."

Very Good. But do you want it to crash? no, so you keep improving and fixing it until it only has small chance of crashing

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Look: If I build a car, and I sold it knowing that a part of it would inevitably fail, resulting in death, I would be brought up on charges for that. And it wouldn't be any defense to say, "the car was not designed to crash."

Very Good. But do you want it to crash? no, so you keep improving and fixing it until it only has small chance of crashing

Sometimes one can't help crashing. Sometimes the circumstances leading to the crash are outside our control.

[Sun Wukong]

Look: If I build a car, and I sold it knowing that a part of it would inevitably fail, resulting in death, I would be brought up on charges for that. And it wouldn't be any defense to say, "the car was not designed to crash."

Very Good. But do you want it to crash? no, so you keep improving and fixing it until it only has small chance of crashing

I almost have to admire your ability to miss the point. I mean, really?

[Maharo]

Very Good. But do you want it to crash? no, so you keep improving and fixing it until it only has small chance of crashing

I almost have to admire your ability to miss the point. I mean, really?

Very Good. But do you want it to crash? no, so you keep improving and fixing it until it only has small chance of crashing

Sometimes one can't help crashing. Sometimes the circumstances leading to the crash are outside our control.

Good points, and now I shall exit this thread and not anymore argue. Farewell gentlemen and ladies.

[Devils advocate Liberonscien]

Oh, no, not at all.
Satan is seen as an angelic servant of God like Michael or Gabriel.

So, wait, in the Jewish faith, God is a backstabbing murderous psychopath?

If you could somehow give him Asperger's, he could post on NSG.

What do you mean here?

[Draica]

All I see here is Argument from Ridicule attempts. My post completely decimated a tenant of this thread, I shall continue to do that soon.

[Seperates]

All I see here is Argument from Ridicule attempts. My post completely decimated a tenant of this thread, I shall continue to do that soon.

Pray tell, what is a 'tenant of this thread'?

[Goeiehoopland]

I was considering trying to post a meaningful contribution to this thread, but seeing as it's mostly devolved to a flame war (as ought to be expected in any online theological 'debate'), I'll just post whom I suspect is behind the original post:

[Sun Wukong]

I was considering trying to post a meaningful contribution to this thread, but seeing as it's mostly devolved to a flame war (as ought to be expected in any online theological 'debate'), I'll just post whom I suspect is behind the original post:
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Good thing you didn't lower yourself to anyone's level, or anything.

[Seperates]

I was considering trying to post a meaningful contribution to this thread, but seeing as it's mostly devolved to a flame war (as ought to be expected in any online theological 'debate'), I'll just post whom I suspect is behind the original post:
(Image)

Good thing you didn't lower yourself to anyone's level, or anything.

Indeed. It would truly be an immense waste of time for his intellect to post something more substantial than some text garbage and a silly picture.

[Goeiehoopland]

Good thing you didn't lower yourself to anyone's level, or anything.

One ought to hold himself to the standard set by his peers, and none other.

[Gairvuu]

Give the OP a medal.

[Seperates]

Good thing you didn't lower yourself to anyone's level, or anything.

One ought to hold himself to the standard set by his peers, and none other.

So is that standard at crotch level?

[Goeiehoopland]

So is that standard at crotch level?

I'd describe it as dingleberry-level, but more or less yeah.