Are Africans entitled to live in Europe?

[Imperial City-States]

No one is entitled to a god.Damn.Thing . Anyone who thinks so is plain ignorant and doesn't deserve to reside in they country they are in

So, if some white asshole comes and enslaves you and steals your shit, you'd be totally okay with that?

I am white. Maybe next time around they should fight harder for what the want. My Country fought for it's freedom from oppression and won. Afrika has been on the shitward slope ever since it was decolonized. If you want to get real technical Most of Afrika was only successful under white governance

[The Holy Calradian Empire]

So, if some white asshole comes and enslaves you and steals your shit, you'd be totally okay with that?

I am white. Maybe next time around they should fight harder for what the want. My Country fought for it's freedom from oppression and won. Afrika has been on the shitward slope ever since it was decolonized. If you want to get real technical Most of Afrika was only successful under white governance

And? This is not an answer to my question. It's not even a correct answer to it's specific question. It's actually a very dumb answer to another question.

[Great Nepal]

... Why do I get the feeling you've never studied modern African history?

Since you have, go ahead and explain how exactly colonisation fifty years ago prevents modern African governments from providing education to its people or providing decent governance or not being corrupt or respecting human rights?

[Marcurix]

Think about it!!! Europe mercilessly exploited Africa for thousands of years!! Their the sole reason poverty exists in that country!!! Africans come to Europe in search of a better of life because they can't find that in Africa, and it's all Europe's fault!!! I think they ARE entitled to live in Europe because it's our fault they can't have a decent living in Africa!!! What do you think???

I think you need to consult a history book if you think European exploitation of Africa spanned thousands of years. It's also not the sole reason poverty exists on the continent, as Africa is not a country. It's also not my fault the standards of living are better in Europe than in Africa, so no I don't think Africans are automatically entitled to live in Europe.

[Imperial City-States]

I am white. Maybe next time around they should fight harder for what the want. My Country fought for it's freedom from oppression and won. Afrika has been on the shitward slope ever since it was decolonized. If you want to get real technical Most of Afrika was only successful under white governance

And? This is not an answer to my question. It's not even a correct answer to it's specific question. It's actually a very dumb answer to another question.

To answer your question , No I wouldn't be okay with it and No it would never happen because I am able to defend in what I believe. No one is entitled to anything. You only deserve what you work for , nothing more nothing less.

[Aeken]

So, if some white asshole comes and enslaves you and steals your shit, you'd be totally okay with that?

I am white. Maybe next time around they should fight harder for what the want. My Country fought for it's freedom from oppression and won. Afrika has been on the shitward slope ever since it was decolonized. If you want to get real technical Most of Afrika was only successful under white governance

Mali, Axum, and Great Zimbabwe would like to disagree with you.

[Imperial City-States]

I am white. Maybe next time around they should fight harder for what the want. My Country fought for it's freedom from oppression and won. Afrika has been on the shitward slope ever since it was decolonized. If you want to get real technical Most of Afrika was only successful under white governance

Mali, Axum, and Great Zimbabwe would like to disagree with you.

And they are shitholes after the white governance left or did you miss that part of history ?

For Example , Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe ) was actually a country i'd want to live in in the 60's to the 80's then the communist black government took over and it all went to hell. White farmers had their land confiscated by the government and it was given to blacks who ruined the land by over growing in certain areas.

[Aeken]

Mali, Axum, and Great Zimbabwe would like to disagree with you.

And they are shitholes after the white governance left or did you miss that part of history ?

For Example , Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe ) was actually a country i'd want to live in in the 60's to the 80's then the communist black government took over and it all went to hell. White farmers had their land confiscated by the government and it was given to blacks who ruined the land by over growing in certain areas.

No. The old empires. You claimed that most of Africa was successful under white governance.

[Spartan Philidelphia]

I am white. Maybe next time around they should fight harder for what the want. My Country fought for it's freedom from oppression and won. Afrika has been on the shitward slope ever since it was decolonized. If you want to get real technical Most of Afrika was only successful under white governance

Mali, Axum, and Great Zimbabwe would like to disagree with you.

Wow! Are you saying that Africans are not primitive cave people, and that there have actually been rich cities and empires on the continent?

[Flau Byeregenie]

Mali, Axum, and Great Zimbabwe would like to disagree with you.

And they are shitholes after the white governance left or did you miss that part of history ?

Holy fucking shit, did I really just read that?

[Marcurix]

As silly as OP is... He might have a point.

How have any of the European countries that colonized and terrorized the African peoples for hundreds of years compensated them for it? At least Americans allow Native Americans to live in reservations independently. Sure, they suck, but at least it's something.

Something that's better to be abolished than continue to be allowed to exist.

[Flau Byeregenie]

Mali, Axum, and Great Zimbabwe would like to disagree with you.

Wow! Are you saying that Africans are not primitive cave people, and that there have actually been rich cities and empires on the continent?

That's just a liberal myth, like the Holocaust and rape.

[Imperial City-States]

And they are shitholes after the white governance left or did you miss that part of history ?

For Example , Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe ) was actually a country i'd want to live in in the 60's to the 80's then the communist black government took over and it all went to hell. White farmers had their land confiscated by the government and it was given to blacks who ruined the land by over growing in certain areas.

No. The old empires. You claimed that most of Africa was successful under white governance.

The OP is referring to modern history ( back to the 1700's + in my book ) is where the primary exploitation of Afrika occurred. And if you will how exactly did these 'Empires' Fall ? When you look at modern history Afrika was better off under colonialism , after it left it descended into an utter hellhole with idiots killing each other over religion ,race and tribes.

[The Holy Calradian Empire]

... Why do I get the feeling you've never studied modern African history?

Since you have, go ahead and explain how exactly colonisation fifty years ago prevents modern African governments from providing education to its people or providing decent governance or not being corrupt or respecting human rights?

... I'll rephrase what I just said. In order to fight back colonization, African leaders resorted to nationalist rhetoric in order to empower and organize retort. This same nationalism is what is causing so much conflict: the Tuareg rebellion, the Tutsis and Hutus, the Sierra Leone insurrections, the Lord's Revolutionary Army, these were all conflicts about who was who and whether they should be allowed to live in their nation.

International interests in African natural resources is why the governments are so corrupt. They want the resources as quickly and as cheaply as possible, so they bribe the shit out of gubernatorial authorities. There is no money in exporting resources; there's money in refining and producing them, but there is no capital among private and civilian pools necessary to do this. The international community is hesitant to help them make money because the resources would then become more expensive to export. No money, no education. Corrupt governments means more conflict. More conflict means more desperate acts in achieving political goals.

[Aeken]

No. The old empires. You claimed that most of Africa was successful under white governance.

The OP is referring to modern history ( back to the 1700's + in my book ) is where the primary exploitation of Afrika occurred. And if you will how exactly did these 'Empires' Fall ? When you look at modern history Afrika was better off under colonialism , after it left it descended into an utter hellhole with idiots killing each other over religion ,race and tribes.

Most of the time it was due to lack of resources, competing empires, or famine.

[The Holy Calradian Empire]

No. The old empires. You claimed that most of Africa was successful under white governance.

The OP is referring to modern history ( back to the 1700's + in my book ) is where the primary exploitation of Afrika occurred. And if you will how exactly did these 'Empires' Fall ? When you look at modern history Afrika was better off under colonialism , after it left it descended into an utter hellhole with idiots killing each other over religion ,race and tribes.

Go read a fucking book.

Africa was comparatively a goddamn cultural wonderland before the Europeans arrived.

[Aberwich]

With some exceptions (and realizing I live in America, so this is an abstract, externally imposed view), I would say no.

Multicultural societies are usually not very stable. Not to mention there is a major gulf between all the European societies, and many African societies. For instance, in many parts of sub Saharan Africa, homosexuality is still met with extreme disdain.

[Imperial City-States]

The OP is referring to modern history ( back to the 1700's + in my book ) is where the primary exploitation of Afrika occurred. And if you will how exactly did these 'Empires' Fall ? When you look at modern history Afrika was better off under colonialism , after it left it descended into an utter hellhole with idiots killing each other over religion ,race and tribes.

Most of the time it was due to lack of resources, competing empires, or famine.

Afrika is rich in resources for those who choose to pursue them. It's their own damn fault for not using the resources they have. The fact that the governments ( at least in the region of Southern Afrika ) take away business's from White owners who run the business's well and effectively and give them to unqualified blacks who don't know a damn about it let alone have an education.

[Parhe]

Think about it!!! Europe mercilessly exploited Africa for thousands of years!! Their the sole reason poverty exists in that country!!! Africans come to Europe in search of a better of life because they can't find that in Africa, and it's all Europe's fault!!! I think they ARE entitled to live in Europe because it's our fault they can't have a decent living in Africa!!! What do you think???

Yes. The same was Europeans are entitled to live in Africa, or any continent should be able to live on another continent provided they legally are living there. Of course there are exceptions and people should be entitled to live on different continents in general, depending.

[Imperial City-States]

The OP is referring to modern history ( back to the 1700's + in my book ) is where the primary exploitation of Afrika occurred. And if you will how exactly did these 'Empires' Fall ? When you look at modern history Afrika was better off under colonialism , after it left it descended into an utter hellhole with idiots killing each other over religion ,race and tribes.

Go read a fucking book.

Africa was comparatively a goddamn cultural wonderland before the Europeans arrived.

Culture doesn't make you an Empire now does it ? The op is referring to the modern era. If your idea of "culture " is mutilation and rape of women then yes you're right. But wait we can't forget the countless thousands who are killed because of tribal differences. Sure a real rich culture you got there.

[Nazi Flower Power]

On the contraire.


Effect of colonisation are tiny compared to internal issues of Africa: climate, poor governance, uneducated populace, human rights, crony capitalism (or state strangled economy) excreta are main cause of the issues in Africa.

Uh.

What do you think is ultimately responsible for all of those conditions, exactly?

And yes, that includes climate.

Like I said, the people who don't want to think...

Ebil white peoples controls teh weather>? Wow, I am so glad I joined the Nazi Party! Who knew we would have such awesome power!

[The Holy Calradian Empire]

With some exceptions (and realizing I live in America, so this is an abstract, externally imposed view), I would say no.

Multicultural societies are usually not very stable. Not to mention there is a major gulf between all the European societies, and many African societies. For instance, in many parts of sub Saharan Africa, homosexuality is still met with extreme disdain.

Yeah, no. Christianity and Islam kind of destroyed the rich homosexual culture of Africa.

The homophobia in Uganda can wholly be attributed to, ironically enough, American televangelists and visiting Protestants. Homosexuality has been common in Africa for a very long time, as it has in all parts of the world.

[Merconitonitopia]

Yes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Uh.

What do you think is ultimately responsible for all of those conditions, exactly?

And yes, that includes climate.

Like I said, the people who don't want to think...

Ebil white peoples controls teh weather>? Wow, I am so glad I joined the Nazi Party! Who knew we would have such awesome power!

So you were the ones who stole my research!

I want a percentage of the profits out of it.

[Connori Pilgrims]

The OP is referring to modern history ( back to the 1700's + in my book ) is where the primary exploitation of Afrika occurred. And if you will how exactly did these 'Empires' Fall ? When you look at modern history Afrika was better off under colonialism , after it left it descended into an utter hellhole with idiots killing each other over religion ,race and tribes.

Go read a fucking book.

Africa was comparatively a goddamn cultural wonderland before the Europeans arrived.

To say African peoples had their own distinct and independent cultures and polities is one thing (this is very much true). To call them anything like a "cultural wonderland" is quite another (depends on one's definition of culture and whether said culture is a good one).