Obama orders pentagon to prepare for afghan withdrawl

by **Draica** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:05 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html

What they won't tell you: It's only because the President of Afghanistan /refuses/ to sign the security agreement once more. Thus, we have no other option than to get out of afghanistan.

So, I'd say an accomplishment for the President of Afghanistan, not the current sitting President of the U.S.

by **Degenerate Heart of HetRio** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:08 pm

What the hell happened to that USA that loved to install military dictatorships in the place of regimes unfriendly to them especially in way more relevant situations like this is beyond me.

by **Cannot think of a name** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:08 pm

What do you mean 'won't tell you'? That's been the news for like, the last two or three years.

by **European Socialist Republic** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:09 pm

"Obama is a spineless liberal pussy who's surrendering to the terrorists!!!!!111"

by **New Connorstantinople** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:12 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:What the hell happened to that USA that loved to install military dictatorships in the place of regimes unfriendly to them especially in way more relevant situations like this is beyond me.

well considering that is NOT what happens most of the time... this is normal.

by **Valrifell** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:13 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:"Obama is a spineless liberal pussy who's surrendering to the terrorists!!!!!111"

Stop stereotyping Americans!

Just because most of us are like that don't mean we all are.

by **The balkens** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:14 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:"Obama is a spineless liberal pussy who's surrendering to the terrorists!!!!!111"

He's prbly a mudslim!!! Lol wants dem turrist to win!

Ted Cruz 2016!!!/Sarcasm.

by **Draica** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:16 pm

The balkens wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:"Obama is a spineless liberal pussy who's surrendering to the terrorists!!!!!111"

He's prbly a mudslim!!! Lol wants dem turrist to win!

Ted Cruz 2016!!!/Sarcasm.

What's wrong with Ted Cruz?

by **The balkens** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:19 pm

Draica wrote:
The balkens wrote:He's prbly a mudslim!!! Lol wants dem turrist to win!

Ted Cruz 2016!!!/Sarcasm.

What's wrong with Ted Cruz?

What kind of america is this where I can't make fun of a political figure without questions?

by **Agritum** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:20 pm

As someone already pointed out, how is this new? A withdrawment date has been set for the ISAF since at least a few years.

by **Draica** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:20 pm

The balkens wrote:
Draica wrote:

What's wrong with Ted Cruz?

What kind of america is this where I can't make fun of a political figure without questions?

Yeah, you're free to mock the Tea Party and Ted Cruz and I am free to ask a simple question about your mockery.

by **Cannot think of a name** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:20 pm

Draica wrote:
The balkens wrote:He's prbly a mudslim!!! Lol wants dem turrist to win!

Ted Cruz 2016!!!/Sarcasm.

What's wrong with Ted Cruz?

Might be shorter to list his positive qualities.

by **Ashmoria** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:21 pm

yay! we need to get out, the sooner the better.

by **Degenerate Heart of HetRio** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:21 pm

Draica wrote:What's wrong with Ted Cruz?

Not much aside everything?

by **Draica** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:21 pm

Agritum wrote:As someone already pointed out, how is this new? A withdrawment date has been set for the ISAF since at least a few years.

Yes. Obama said we'd start transisitioning our troops out this year, and we'll finally have /some/ out, but the deal also included troops staying to continue efforts throughout 2024. That has now changed. All of them must get /out/ by the end of the year, no exceptions.

by **Farnhamia** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:22 pm

Draica wrote:
The balkens wrote:
What kind of america is this where I can't make fun of a political figure without questions?

Yeah, you're free to mock the Tea Party and Ted Cruz and I am free to ask a simple question about your mockery.

True, neither of which is the proper topic of the the thread.

by **Draica** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:22 pm

Ashmoria wrote:yay! we need to get out, the sooner the better.

Agreed.

by **The balkens** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:25 pm

Draica wrote:
The balkens wrote:
What kind of america is this where I can't make fun of a political figure without questions?

Yeah, you're free to mock the Tea Party and Ted Cruz and I am free to ask a simple question about your mockery.

Being part of the reason why congress absolutely sucks, and basically a personification of what's wrong with the GOP, no reason at all.

by **The balkens** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:26 pm

Anyway, I hope this is the end of our part in Afghanistan. Good to hear.

by **Degenerate Heart of HetRio** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:27 pm

The balkens wrote:Being part of the reason why congress absolutely sucks, and basically a personification of what's wrong with the GOP, no reason at all.

He's only good because he's helping to sink the GOP.

by **Draica** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:29 pm

The balkens wrote:Anyway, I hope this is the end of our part in Afghanistan. Good to hear.

This is the only thing that you have said on this thread that I agree with, so far.

by **L Ron Cupboard** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:29 pm

A sweepstake on how long Karzai lives after is probably bad taste...

by **Neu Leonstein** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:31 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:What do you mean 'won't tell you'? That's been the news for like, the last two or three years.

And while I agree that working with Karzai is terrible, and he and his whole clan seem like terrible people from everything I've heard about them... my understanding is that the biggest gripe he has with signing the agreement is the insistence by the US Government that its service personnel will be considered above Afghan law and judicial institutions. That was a problem in Iraq as well, leading to the withdrawal there.

One can reasonably ask whether it wouldn't be more appropriate if US soldiers that are stationed in these countries were in fact subject to the law in those countries, at least when not on duty.* I agree that the Afghan legal system is a bit shit, and this is obviously a hot potato in many countries, since in many high profile cases US military justice systems have found personnel to be not guilty in a manner that was not satisfactory to authorities in those countries. But there ought to be at least some recognition that a more nuanced SOFA can't be rejected outright - not least because there've been a few cases of US personnel acting in a way that is unlikely to endear them to the Afghan public.

* I don't know if changes have been made since, but my understanding was that US negotiators have been insisting on total immunity from local law enforcement, even for off-duty personnel.

by **Sovereign Recognition Of Canada** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:31 pm

Draica wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-pentagon-to-prepare-for-complete-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/2014/02/25/cfae2206-9e49-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

What they won't tell you: It's only because the President of Afghanistan /refuses/ to sign the security agreement once more. Thus, we have no other option than to get out of afghanistan.

So, I'd say an accomplishment for the President of Afghanistan, not the current sitting President of the U.S.

Good news! ^~^

by **Juggalo world** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:33 pm

I hope on the way out we wipe out half that country so we won't have to go back.

Obama orders pentagon to prepare for afghan withdrawl

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