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Do you wish God is Real?

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No
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Maybe
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Not sure
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Alaizia
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Postby Alaizia » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:23 pm

Yes, of cource I do. But certainly not the Abrahamic God (ex. Christian, Islamist, Jewish). Certainly.

I imagine God (if exists) to be an omnipotent and omnipresent sentient driving force of the Multiverse. A force that created (and creates?) all the Universes with their rules and, thus, his existance is "spilled out" everywhere. If that is true, then keep in mind that this force doesn't "care" for us. At least the way we mean it perhaps.

I have no well thought theories about an afterlife though.

Don't forget that we 've been tought from Physics that action and reaction exists. So what we would call "God" is an action without previous reaction. The action that started all. (....Wow 8) )
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:27 pm

Gods like the Asgardians from the Marvel universe, Gallifreyans from Dr Who or the Q from Startrek - aka sufficiently advanced aliens ?
Sure. Would make the universe interesting.

Gods like Adonai ? No thank you.
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Postby Nippluania » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:27 pm

Alaizia wrote:Yes, of cource I do. But certainly not the Abrahamic God (ex. Christian, Islamist, Jewish). Certainly.

I imagine God (if exists) to be an omnipotent and omnipresent sentient driving force of the Multiverse. A force that created (and creates?) all the Universes with their rules and, thus, his existance is "spilled out" everywhere. If that is true, then keep in mind that this force doesn't "care" for us. At least the way we mean it perhaps.

I have no well thought theories about an afterlife though.

Don't forget that we 've been tought from Physics that action and reaction exists. So what we would call "God" is an action without previous reaction. The action that started all. (....Wow 8) )


Technically Deism.
Deism, fuck yeah
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Postby West Afrika » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:28 pm

I HOPE God is real. An afterlife is also something I HOPE for.
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Postby Alaizia » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:31 pm

Nippluania wrote:
Alaizia wrote:Yes, of cource I do. But certainly not the Abrahamic God (ex. Christian, Islamist, Jewish). Certainly.

I imagine God (if exists) to be an omnipotent and omnipresent sentient driving force of the Multiverse. A force that created (and creates?) all the Universes with their rules and, thus, his existance is "spilled out" everywhere. If that is true, then keep in mind that this force doesn't "care" for us. At least the way we mean it perhaps.

I have no well thought theories about an afterlife though.

Don't forget that we 've been tought from Physics that action and reaction exists. So what we would call "God" is an action without previous reaction. The action that started all. (....Wow 8) )


Technically Deism.
Deism, fuck yeah


If that is Deism then Deism it is I guess.
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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:10 pm

nah. though i could accept a world with countless animist gods...as long as they don't take up smashing asteroids into us because we've gotten too loud or something.

i'm not sure i see the point in an eternal afterlife, though. i guess I'm with the buddhists on that one.

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Postby DaBoomBoom » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:15 pm

I must say I am not an atheist, but I definitely do not believe in any of the nonsense about heaven/hell big dude in the sky judging us. I do believe that, because we are as much a part of the universe as anything else, some part of us is conserved, and continues on in some form. The only heavens and hells are those we create for ourselves. Live well, or poorly, your choice. But do I wish for a more direct god? Never. I like things the way they are.

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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:16 pm

DaBoomBoom wrote:I do believe that, because we are as much a part of the universe as anything else, some part of us is conserved, and continues on in some form.

yeah, but only in the sense that i am made of dinosaurs and exploding stars.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:30 pm

What's that mean? Do I wish that suddenly there would be an omnipotent force at the helm, do I wish that reality was exactly as it is now except god exists, or do I wish that the universe was one where god had always existed? I'd take 1 or 3 but 2 implies there is an all powerful being who is an absolute tool.
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Postby God Kefka » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:36 pm

If God is real than I'd have to pray and go to church and that would suck... My freedom and privacy would be severely compromised by his omnipotence and omniscience.

Also, more than half of all human beings who have existed, exist, and will ever exist will go to a place where they are burned forever and ever and ever in the afterlife. It's too morbid a religion...

Finally, if God existed, than my ego as a special and powerful person would be especially damaged.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:55 pm

God Kefka wrote:If God is real than I'd have to pray and go to church and that would suck... My freedom and privacy would be severely compromised by his omnipotence and omniscience.

Also, more than half of all human beings who have existed, exist, and will ever exist will go to a place where they are burned forever and ever and ever in the afterlife. It's too morbid a religion...

Finally, if God existed, than my ego as a special and powerful person would be especially damaged.

Good to know people can generalize beyond reproach. There is a reason the doctrine of the everlasting brimstone hell is only sound in fictional literature such as Dante's comedy. Nonetheless who is forcing you to worship?
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Postby Benuty » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:57 pm

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Kraslavia wrote:This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

Acknowledgement of existence doesn't truly qualify as faith.
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Postby Ermarian » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:22 pm

I like the idea of an afterlife (optional, duration dependent on individual choice, no hell), but the idea of a universe controlled by an omnipotent conscious entity is ugly to contemplate.

If this entity is as evil and spiteful as basically all religions describe their deities, then the universe would be like in the Cthulhu mythos. Worse, really; the various Old Ones don't really care about humans while gods have petty human desires and vendettas, making people do things and then punishing them for it, et cetera. But regardless of whether it is good or evil, its existence and omnipotence would render pretty much everything humans do pointless. Our existence would essentially be entertainment.

Kraslavia wrote:This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.


I don't even see how this logic is supposed to work. I want Rainbow Dash to be real, but that doesn't mean I believe she is real.
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Postby Olthar » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:27 pm

A god? Sure.
The Christian god? Fuck no. I'd rather live in a cold, heartless void of a universe than one ruled by Yahweh. Apathy is better than malevolence.
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Postby West Afrika » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:28 pm

Free Soviets wrote:
DaBoomBoom wrote:I do believe that, because we are as much a part of the universe as anything else, some part of us is conserved, and continues on in some form.

yeah, but only in the sense that i am made of dinosaurs and exploding stars.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:32 pm

Olthar wrote:A god? Sure.
The Christian god? Fuck no. I'd rather live in a cold, heartless void of a universe than one ruled by Yahweh. Apathy is better than malevolence.

Are you referring to the Canaanite yahweh or the other one :p ?.
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Postby Olthar » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:33 pm

Benuty wrote:
Olthar wrote:A god? Sure.
The Christian god? Fuck no. I'd rather live in a cold, heartless void of a universe than one ruled by Yahweh. Apathy is better than malevolence.

Are you referring to the Canaanite yahweh or the other one :p ?.

Yes.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:33 pm

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Needless to say, maybe a Deist God, but I just wish for a form of afterlife. Nothing like YWHW's afterlife, but still.


Just a note, the Bible doesn't describe hell as eternal torment, TG me for more about this. Heaven is just a reward, nothing to hate about it.

Bible mentions "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Kingdom of God" along with Sheol and Gehenna, along with the "grinding of teeth in darkness". In fact, Judaism mentions nothing of heaven. Only the New Testament does.

Being raised Catholic and conducting my own research, I have fairly strong knowledge on this topic. Again, with the concept of heaven, it was developed primarily by the New Testament; you see people within the old being rewarded within their lifetimes for their "faith" and works. Hell is a fairly modern theological concept.
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Postby Hallowell » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:36 pm

I would enjoy an afterlife where you could hang out with your dead friends/family, but most gods are complete assholes.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:37 pm

Olthar wrote:
Benuty wrote:Are you referring to the Canaanite yahweh or the other one :p ?.

Yes.

They aren't exactly the same (unsure of your answer).
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Postby Benuty » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:38 pm

Hallowell wrote:I would enjoy an afterlife where you could hang out with your dead friends/family, but most gods are complete assholes.

Well Aphrodite seemed nicer than most of the Olympiad.
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Postby Olthar » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:40 pm

Benuty wrote:
Olthar wrote:Yes.

They aren't exactly the same (unsure of your answer).

My answer was mathematically correct given your question. *nods*
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Postby 4years » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:42 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Absolutely not, I'm very thankful for the fact that I doubt such a monster exists


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Postby Dranislovinunstarijestani » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:43 pm

Christian god? Probably not. "I come to this world not to bring peace but to bring a sword."
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