Do you WISH God is Real? (For Atheists)

[Kraslavia]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

[Kilobugya]

No. I definitely don't wish to be ruled by an omnipowerful sadistic tyrant. At least we can outsmart nature and reshape the universe the way we want.

[Grave_n_idle]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

I don't find that logic convincing... I want ghosts to be real, too - but I don't believe they are.

In fact, who doesn't want some kind of world with mysteries - vampires, maybe or dragons, or aliens among us? That doesn't necessitate that you believe there ARE dragons, or vampires, or aliens among us.

[Ovisterra]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

That's just not true. You can want something while thinking it's not possible.

For instance, I want to win the lottery, but that doesn't mean I think I have the slightest chance of winning, so I don't enter.

[Breadknife]

Polytheistic deities tend to be way worse than the Abrahamic one, as bad as the latter can get. I really, really, really, really wouldn't want to live in a world with the Greek gods, for example.

I think I could handle a Discworld-like pantheon.

Obviously I'd probably not be as atheist (for long, anyway), except perhaps in the Ephebian manner (suitable caveats to be voiced at the sound of thunder and other clues), but most people that don't (for example) accidentally set up fish restaurants in unfortunately significant locations have very little to worry about from the supernatural (...just don't short-change the wizards, either, if you aren't one already and have your own problems).

And, even if worst comes to the worst, you may well still get a very nearly friendly-sounding HELLO at the end of it all/the start of the desert... I could handle that.

[Sankji]

No I don't want God to be real.

I think people should be allowed to believe in whatever they want to, but if you believe in God then at least admit that he is very bad at his job.

[Cestyr]

I'd love for there to be an invisible giant to give me eternal life when I eventually shuffle off and to aid whatever ailments I have with a wave of his hand.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Nope

It would just make everything messy and inconsistent.

[The USOT]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

No it doesnt...

I once wanted there to be a god when I was an atheist. I am still an atheist and do not want to wish for a god.

The misunderstanding may come from not fully understanding the idea of faith. Wanting something to be true does not equate at all to faith in something. I for instance WANT a far greener and more justice filled world. I do not have any faith that this will happen in the slightest. I hope it will, but faith doesnt enter the equation.

[Dunroaming]

No, definitely not. If such an entity existed, by definition it would be all-powerful and all-knowing. That would mean that all our lives have followed a plan, and that we are merely puppets. "Are we human, or are we dancers?"

[Basking Turtles]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

Nice one. "God is real if you want him to be!" You just acknowledged that faith is nothing but self-delusion.

[Ifreann]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

That's just not true. You can want something while thinking it's not possible.

For instance, I want to win the lottery, but that doesn't mean I think I have the slightest chance of winning, so I don't enter.

Wanting to win the lottery leads directly to believing that you already have won the lottery.

[Sun Wukong]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

Not even remotely. For instance, I want to believe I am married to a half-dozen busty bisexual broads of loose morals. No amount of wanting it will convince me it is true, and I certainly don't have faith that it is.

[Mkuki]

At first glance this topic may seem like many before it, but here is the twist? Do you WISH God is Real?
For me if given the choice I would wish he was real because He might stop all the craziness out there. Wishing for him doesn't make him real though.

Absolutely not. I don't like the idea of being watched 24/7 by something I can't see.

[Hebalobia]

Do I wish an all powerful loving and benevolent entity was real? Of course, if he was really loving and benevolent.

[Kelinfort]

No. I definitely don't wish to be ruled by an omnipowerful sadistic tyrant. At least we can outsmart nature and reshape the universe the way we want.

I want the laws of thermodynamics to be wrong, but I don't believe they are wrong.


Needless to say, maybe a Deist God, but I just wish for a form of afterlife. Nothing like YWHW's afterlife, but still.

[Oneracon]

Do I wish an all powerful loving and benevolent entity was real? Of course, if he was really loving and benevolent.

I second that feeling.

If an omnipotent omnibenevolent deity really existed our world would be a much nicer place, as for whether the Abrahamic God (i.e. God/Yahweh/Allah) is both omnipresent and omnibenevolent... that's a separate discussion.

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

Can Christians join in?

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

No. I definitely don't wish to be ruled by an omnipowerful sadistic tyrant. At least we can outsmart nature and reshape the universe the way we want.

I want the laws of thermodynamics to be wrong, but I don't believe they are wrong.


Needless to say, maybe a Deist God, but I just wish for a form of afterlife. Nothing like YWHW's afterlife, but still.

Just a note, the Bible doesn't describe hell as eternal torment, TG me for more about this. Heaven is just a reward, nothing to hate about it.

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

No... TG me if you want to discuss further, I don't want a threadjack.

[Imperializt Russia]

Depends on the god. The Christian one is a complete dick.

It's the same as the Islamic god, isn't it?

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

Depends on the god. The Christian one is a complete dick.

It's the same as the Islamic god, isn't it?

They're apparently the same, but the Islamic God is MUCH more similar to the Jewish one, which is in turn the Christian God but without a son.

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

This is contradiction. You can't want god to be real and stay atheist. Because "want god to be real" leads directly to faith.

Nice one. "God is real if you want him to be!" You just acknowledged that faith is nothing but self-delusion.

He wasn't arguing that God exists.

[Basking Turtles]

Nice one. "God is real if you want him to be!" You just acknowledged that faith is nothing but self-delusion.

He wasn't arguing that God exists.

Indeed he wasn't.

[Polski Swiety Imperium]

He wasn't arguing that God exists.

Indeed he wasn't.

Just seemed that you were saying the guy was being a hypocrite.