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Postby Grenartia » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:21 pm

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CTALNH wrote:Impregnate every single woman?

Isn't that a little difficult?

Well, with sufficient time-management skills, maybe some spreadsheets or a database to keep track of the numbers... I'm sure it could be done, but it'd take an awful lot of time given the equipment involved has a biologically-enforced cooldown period.


Not nearly as long as you might think. One might be able to fit multiple..sessions in a night...

And that's all I'll say, to keep this PG-13.

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Reploid Productions wrote:Well, with sufficient time-management skills, maybe some spreadsheets or a database to keep track of the numbers... I'm sure it could be done, but it'd take an awful lot of time given the equipment involved has a biologically-enforced cooldown period.

Time.

Machine.

It's a magical solution to all of these problems.


This as well, though a time machine doesn't alter your aging process (i.e., if you're stuck in a Groundhog Day type loop due to malfunctioning whatchamacallits for a decade, you're going to age a decade).
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Postby Breadknife » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:46 pm

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Postby Volantyz » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:04 pm

If you are resistant to the diseases. then you are probably a carrier and the women will avoid you like the... like the... :p

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Postby Liberonscien » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:06 pm

Volantyz wrote:If you are resistant to the diseases. then you are probably a carrier and the women will avoid you like the... like the... :p

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Postby Inventio » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:07 pm

Volantyz wrote:If you are resistant to the diseases. then you are probably a carrier and the women will avoid you like the... like the... :p

Like the what? :unsure:
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Postby Raikhatung » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:16 pm

Ok so on second thought, maybe I will need a lot of preparation before I do this, to learn the language and etiquette. Maybe I will even need help from some other like-minded men who are willing to make the sacrifices of sleeping with countless women (all in the name of a better future of course!)...

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Postby Maurepas » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:34 pm

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Raikhatung wrote:the germ-resistant genes of the eastern hemisphere that the Amerindians lacked

I'm pretty sure it was exposure to the diseases, not genes, that made the eastern hemisphere more germ-resistant. I haven't been in history class for a while, but I thought it was the isolation of the Native American population that made them so susceptible to disease.

In that case you just need to go far enough back and release it. And if you're going to upset history some knowledge of anti-bacterial and anti-viral medicines and practices probably wouldn't go amiss either.

Release it at the same time as the Black Death hit Europe populations should be relatively even by the time those Europeans arrive.

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Postby Mushet » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:51 pm

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Mushet wrote:Or half that.

You make it sound like it was hundreds of Spaniards alone fighting against hundreds of thousands of Tawantinsuyu warriors, this was not the case the defending army was overwhelmingly warriors from Tawantinsuyu, and the defending side had the advantage of holding down the capital city, at least at first until they lost that advantage.



It was still a hundred or two thousand against just a few thousand. The Spanish tactics, weaponry, and overall skill in warfare beat the Incans just about every time, and there is no other way around it. This is what history showed. They always went to battle outnumbers like crazy, and rarely suffered great losses, themselves.

If you're implying the Spanish would not have an axillary consider the OP's post, he claimed the Incans would conquer and oppress the Aztecs and Mayans both. So therefore, the Conquistadors would just need to play along their tribal divide there and get their axillaries from there, instead of Peru itself. History has shown, once they have this type of army going they will win the battles.

No, it was the Spanish AND factions of Tawantinsuyu warriors versus different factions of Tawantinsuyu warriors with the former holding and defending the capital, it wasn't Conquistadores vs "The Inca", it was Conquistadores and "The Inca" versus the Inca in a time of instability with a power vacuum, and the spread of a new disease amongst the populace, big difference. And tribal divide? Really? We're talking about urban civilizations here not tribes, you just use that language because they're Native American. History has really shown that the defining feature of why colonists were able to beat the natives was mainly due to disease weakening them, notice how Cortes and his men and native warriors got run out of Tenochtitlan and Cortes almost died and they were only able to retake the city after smallpox has greatly weakened the inhabitants. That's the pattern of that history, colonist conquering greatly facilitated by smallpox and all the problems caused by it, if it wasn't for smallpox Pizarro would've faced a healthy, stable, undivided empire, Cortes probably wouldn't have been able to get Tenochtitlan when he was kicked out, the countless other non-urban nations would've had much more of a fighting chance.
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Postby Dakran » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:34 am

Thinking about it a bit, why start so late? You could easily go back to when humans first arrived in the America's, teach them how to have a strong government, and bring accurate maps of resource deposits. If you REALLY want to ruin history that is.
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Postby Liberonscien » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:02 am

Dakran wrote:Thinking about it a bit, why start so late? You could easily go back to when humans first arrived in the America's, teach them how to have a strong government, and bring accurate maps of resource deposits. If you REALLY want to ruin history that is.

Also bring back blueprints so that they could have cars and stuff like that.
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Postby Dwarvenmustangblades896 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:04 am

to me that is stupid :eyebrow:

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Postby -Palaven- » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:25 am

Raikhatung wrote:If I as someone who has the germ-resistant genes of the eastern hemisphere that the Amerindians lacked go back in time to seduce and impregnate every single Inca woman to spread my genes, history would turn out different because the European diseases were a major reason for the conquest of the new world. While I'm there I might as well give the Incas an alphabet and a very useful but simple machine, the printing press. Just to mess with future historians, I would teach them Katakana :twisted:

Since I have a time machine and simple special effects to overawe the natives, I might as well tell the Incas to launch a holy war of conquest northwards so that they control the isthmus of Panama, giving them an advantageous position for modern times. They will eventually encounter and conquer the Aztecs (replacing human sacrifice with a religion of mercy thanks to llamas) and the Mayans, hopefully before the Spanish arrive. Maybe such an entity could survive the conquistadors.

To have some more lolz, I could tell them about theoretical concepts like a cartesian coordinate plane, set theory, algebra and basic calculus... in other words, things to mess with historians.

This would change the future so much that nobody would need to go back to kill Hitler since WWII as we know it would probably not even exist. It would also spread my genes far and wide over at least two continents.

So the question is, what kind of diet should I adopt to give me the stamina needed to carry this out?


..........

I thought you Humans took care of the sick?

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:51 am

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Raikhatung wrote:If I as someone who has the germ-resistant genes of the eastern hemisphere that the Amerindians lacked go back in time to seduce and impregnate every single Inca woman to spread my genes, history would turn out different because the European diseases were a major reason for the conquest of the new world. While I'm there I might as well give the Incas an alphabet and a very useful but simple machine, the printing press. Just to mess with future historians, I would teach them Katakana :twisted:

Since I have a time machine and simple special effects to overawe the natives, I might as well tell the Incas to launch a holy war of conquest northwards so that they control the isthmus of Panama, giving them an advantageous position for modern times. They will eventually encounter and conquer the Aztecs (replacing human sacrifice with a religion of mercy thanks to llamas) and the Mayans, hopefully before the Spanish arrive. Maybe such an entity could survive the conquistadors.

To have some more lolz, I could tell them about theoretical concepts like a cartesian coordinate plane, set theory, algebra and basic calculus... in other words, things to mess with historians.

This would change the future so much that nobody would need to go back to kill Hitler since WWII as we know it would probably not even exist. It would also spread my genes far and wide over at least two continents.

So the question is, what kind of diet should I adopt to give me the stamina needed to carry this out?


..........

I thought you Humans took care of the sick?

Is there a joke I do not understand here?


To the OP, the plan is taking care of the sick, by supposedly introducing his/her/their disease-resistant genes into the American (North and South) gene pool, thereby lessening their susceptibility to European diseases when the Europeans start colonizing the New World. Except, IIRC, disease immunity does not work that way.
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Postby Indira » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:52 am

Wouldn't you need to also introduce the virus's to ensure that the immunity remained an active part of the genome?

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Postby Riflemoor » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:57 am

Raikhatung wrote:It was genetic resistance. Exposure over generations produced selective pressures that made eastern hemisphere populations genetically resistant over a long time.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population ... e_Americas


While you are correct that selection pressure produced genetic resistance in Europeans, we have lost many of those resistances today because we've eradicated the diseases that produced them. The Inca had none of those diseases and so would have no selection pressure making it advantageous to retain genetic resistance.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:58 am

I think they would all die from your diseases. How would it be different from the Europeans coming?

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Postby Breadknife » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:33 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:I think they would all die from your diseases. How would it be different from the Europeans coming?
Instead of a whole lot of Europeans coming, later, it is just one European coming a whole lot, prematurely...
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:56 am

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The Sotoan Union wrote:I think they would all die from your diseases. How would it be different from the Europeans coming?
Instead of a whole lot of Europeans coming, later, it is just one European coming a whole lot, prematurely...


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Postby Seriong » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:52 am

I feel like having an entire generation of half-brothers would cause more genetic damage, than good.
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Breadknife wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:I think they would all die from your diseases. How would it be different from the Europeans coming?
Instead of a whole lot of Europeans coming, later, it is just one European coming a whole lot, prematurely...

Same disease, plus some new ones. Spread by procreation with hundreds of individuals. Not just STDs, but any disease as the OP will be in close contact with many people.

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Postby Volantyz » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:21 pm

With a Time Machine, I will go 243 years in the future and I will impregnate the Space Babes just before Will Ryker gets to each planet. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Arumdaum wrote:this reeks of white savior complex

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