LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Opinions can be wrong.

Opinions are neither right or wrong.

My belief that the movie Airplane! is the funniest movie of all time can be denied by other individuals.

Opinion on a piece of art is subjective.

Opinions on a moral issue can be wrong.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Opinions are neither right or wrong.

My belief that the movie Airplane! is the funniest movie of all time can be denied by other individuals.

Opinion on a piece of art is subjective.

Opinions on a moral issue can be wrong.

How so? There is no universal morality.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Opinion on a piece of art is subjective.

Opinions on a moral issue can be wrong.

How so? There is no universal morality.

But so a moral proposition can be disputed and torn apart to show its validity.

Morality are almost the same as ethics, and we mulch and analyze moral and ethical propositions everyday.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

How so? There is no universal morality.

But so a moral proposition can be disputed and torn apart to show its validity.

Morality are almost the same as ethics, and we mulch and analyze moral and ethical propositions everyday.

Okay I'll shred it. There is an inherent right to discrimination in the private sector. You don't have the right to buy something that a person refuses to sell you. And a seller has a right to refuse to sell something to anyone for any reason. I's their business, thus their prerogative. This right would be founded in common law, and the 9th amendment, and really this would trump the consumer's rights. Your opinion of its morality doesn't mean shit as far as the law is concerned.
However there is a 3rd competing factor and that would be the Commerce Clause, giving Congress the authority to regulate interstate commerce. In Katzenbach v Macclung, the state demonstrated that discrimination had a demonstrable effect on interstate commerce, affirming Congress's authority to regulate under the Commerce, Necessary and Propper, and the Supremacy clauses, by way of the Civil rights act. The Civil rights act did not deny the purveyor's right of discrimination, only narrowed the scope of acceptability. A bartender can still refuse service to say a Hell's Angel or someone without shoes, or even a shitty attitude.

And so it is today.

[Libertarian California]

Opinion on a piece of art is subjective.

Opinions on a moral issue can be wrong.

How so? There is no universal morality.

However, some cultures have superior moral values.

[Thafoo]

*sees Tarsonis Survivors as recent post in a thread about LGBT*

Ohhhh dearrr

Ohhhh nelly

[Tarsonis Survivors]

*sees Tarsonis Survivors as recent post in a thread about LGBT*

Ohhhh dearrr

Ohhhh nelly

Dafuq I ever do to you?

[Libertarian California]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

[New Frenco Empire]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

Fuck, I still use it. Of course, rarely seriously, and when it is used in that manner, only when I'm legitimately pissed at something (and even then, I say anything and everything because I'm a terrible person).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But so a moral proposition can be disputed and torn apart to show its validity.

Morality are almost the same as ethics, and we mulch and analyze moral and ethical propositions everyday.

Okay I'll shred it. There is an inherent right to discrimination in the private sector. You don't have the right to buy something that a person refuses to sell you. And a seller has a right to refuse to sell something to anyone for any reason. I's their business, thus their prerogative. This right would be founded in common law, and the 9th amendment, and really this would trump the consumer's rights. Your opinion of its morality doesn't mean shit as far as the law is concerned.

However there is a 3rd competing factor and that would be the Commerce Clause, giving Congress the authority to regulate interstate commerce. In Katzenbach v Macclung, the state demonstrated that discrimination had a demonstrable effect on interstate commerce, affirming Congress's authority to regulate under the Commerce, Necessary and Propper, and the Supremacy clauses, by way of the Civil rights act. The Civil rights act did not deny the purveyor's right of discrimination, only narrowed the scope of acceptability. A bartender can still refuse service to say a Hell's Angel or someone without shoes, or even a shitty attitude.

And so it is today.

Preaching to the choir?

You believe I was talking about morality in the context of anti-homosexual legislation. I wasn't. I was specifically addressing the issue of universal vs. relative morality, not that it meant anything as far as the law is concerned.

[Libertarian California]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

Fuck, I still use it. Of course, rarely seriously, and when it is used in that manner, only when I'm legitimately pissed at something (and even then, I say anything and everything because I'm a terrible person).

Is it wrong I find it fun to do this?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone touched on this vein rather nicely in refence the colloquial usage of the word" Fag"

Louis CK did as well for the word "faggot"

[Thafoo]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

I use it facetiously and I make it utterly obvious that I'm doing such.

[New Frenco Empire]

Fuck, I still use it. Of course, rarely seriously, and when it is used in that manner, only when I'm legitimately pissed at something (and even then, I say anything and everything because I'm a terrible person).

Is it wrong I find it fun to do this?

Nah. It is pretty fun.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Okay I'll shred it. There is an inherent right to discrimination in the private sector. You don't have the right to buy something that a person refuses to sell you. And a seller has a right to refuse to sell something to anyone for any reason. I's their business, thus their prerogative. This right would be founded in common law, and the 9th amendment, and really this would trump the consumer's rights. Your opinion of its morality doesn't mean shit as far as the law is concerned.

However there is a 3rd competing factor and that would be the Commerce Clause, giving Congress the authority to regulate interstate commerce. In Katzenbach v Macclung, the state demonstrated that discrimination had a demonstrable effect on interstate commerce, affirming Congress's authority to regulate under the Commerce, Necessary and Propper, and the Supremacy clauses, by way of the Civil rights act. The Civil rights act did not deny the purveyor's right of discrimination, only narrowed the scope of acceptability. A bartender can still refuse service to say a Hell's Angel or someone without shoes, or even a shitty attitude.

And so it is today.

Preaching to the choir?

You believe I was talking about morality in the context of anti-homosexual legislation. I wasn't. I was specifically addressing the issue of universal vs. relative morality, not that it meant anything as far as the law is concerned.

My mistake. I was just following along the conversation and felt like addressing a large part that I saw to be a misconception,

[Punkvania]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

When someone uses the word like that I think of them the same way that I do a person that refers to all women as "this bitch".

[Grenartia]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

Not really. I avoid using "gay" in that context. I mostly use "stupid", "idiotic", "mentally deficient", "dumbass", "dumbfuck", etc. I especially like the last one when applicable.

Such satisfaction. Many vulgar. Much fun to say.

[Divair2]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

Depends on who you're around, I imagine. I don't really use it. There are far better words I prefer. Like cunt.

[Ostroeuropa]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

Not really. I avoid using "gay" in that context. I mostly use "stupid", "idiotic", "mentally deficient", "dumbass", "dumbfuck", etc. I especially like the last one when applicable.

Such satisfaction. Many vulgar. Much fun to say.

The problems comes down to words having multiple meanings.
They aren't saying that a bad situation is a homosexual.
At some point, because gay was equivalent to bad, gay was a synonym for bad. Now homosexuality isn't seen as bad, so gay has adopted two meanings.
If you don't understand the language, that isn't the speakers fault. It's yours and the speakers. Language is a communication tool.

I don't catch people acting completely baffled and confused by the "set" issue.

"I set my cup down-"
"What do you mean you appointed the cup to a position? That's gibberish!"

[Benuty]

How so? There is no universal morality.

However, some cultures have superior moral values.

Well I know where this is going I better get another ticket cause we are all going on the SOULLLL TRAINNNN!

Oh wait it says white american values land...damn I really looked forward to going to the 1970s.

[Estormo]

I never quite understood why North Americans use ”gay” as a word for stupid.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I never quite understood why North Americans use ”gay” as a word for stupid.

90's era homophobia

[Valica]

I never quite understood why North Americans use ”gay” as a word for stupid.

There was a time when homophobia was rampant.
Gay was a synonym for bad or stupid.

Since then, we've become more progressive, but language doesn't revert.
When I call someone a faggot, I'm not calling them homosexual. I'm calling them a faggot.

If a gay person gets offended at the word faggot, it's their fault for giving that word power over them.
Nobody in my group of friends says faggot when talking about gay people.
They say faggot when one of us teamkills or cornerblocks someone in a videogame.

The English language just works like that sometimes.

[Benuty]

I never quite understood why North Americans use ”gay” as a word for stupid.

90's era homophobia

I miss the time I could call someone a gay fagger, as it mean't they stupidly smoked cigarettes while being happy about it. Now a days all this nonsense about sensibility has changed that meaning .

[Kiruri]

Is it okay to use the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid?

I have no issue with gay people, but goddamn, the word "gay" rolls of the tongue so nicely.

Depends on who you're around, I imagine. I don't really use it. There are far better words I prefer. Like cunt.

I sometimes use it as an insult toward some of my friends (who are gay) and they do the same. I would probably use it like this:

Me: *opens fridge and looks around. Dramatically closes fridge* "Who the hell took the last beer!?"
Girl Friend: *reading magazine with hot guy on cover. Answers without taking eyes off of article she's reading* "Michael"
*Michael walks in*
Me: *in an angry tone* "Damn it Michael, you're such a gay b*tch" *walks away*
Michael: "What the f*ck did I do?"

But I would use it as an insult only with my group of close friends, never outside that group. That's our group thing that we do.

I totally think it depends on the people around you