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Postby Neuhausen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:35 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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It should.


No, it really should not.

Consumer protection laws and anti-discrimination laws passed over the years prove you wrong.


My opinion can be neither right or wrong. These laws may have been made by people who think otherwise, simple as that - it doesn't make me wrong.

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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:37 am

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Divair2 wrote:Not people. Companies. Companies do not get to discriminate. If the owner cannot handle operating a company, they can hand it over to someone who can or they can shut down.

Hmm that leaves open a new way of challenging. Corporations are people!!

Corporate personhood is such shit.

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Postby Hakio » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:39 am

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Why should we treat them any differently?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:40 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
No, it really should not.

Consumer protection laws and anti-discrimination laws passed over the years prove you wrong.


My opinion can be neither right or wrong. These laws may have been made by people who think otherwise, simple as that - it doesn't make me wrong.


It does, since it's an accepted business practice as well.

Really, what you're saying is that we as business owners should have an unimpeded right to be dicks. We do not. Again, our personal shit doesn't belong in business. Just because you're racist/homophobe/etc. doesn't mean your business has the right to be a discriminating business.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:41 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Not people. Companies. Companies do not get to discriminate. If the owner cannot handle operating a company, they can hand it over to someone who can or they can shut down.

Hmm that leaves open a new way of challenging. Corporations are people!!


Ugh. Corporate personhood shouldn't even be a thing.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:51 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:I was never clear on this, why are transgenders exist? They fascinate me how they think as another gender but I don't understand. I googled it but I can't find any info.

I had/have this exact same issue with fat people.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:I had/have this exact same issue with fat people.

This. So much win.

No, so much *** warned for trolling ***, both of you.
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Postby Agritum » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:52 am

Farnhamia wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:I had/have this exact same issue with fat people.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:This. So much win.

No, so much *** warned for trolling ***, both of you.

...what was even the "joke" based around? I didn't get it.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:58 am

Agritum wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
No, so much *** warned for trolling ***, both of you.

...what was even the "joke" based around? I didn't get it.

Not necessarily a joke, just echoing his "So much win."
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:00 am

Farnhamia wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:I had/have this exact same issue with fat people.

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:This. So much win.

No, so much *** warned for trolling ***, both of you.

I'm not trolling >:|

I legitimately don't understand how fat people contain that weight.
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Postby Stitch13 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:01 am

I'm new and not sure how to do this, anyone willing to help??

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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:01 am

Agritum wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
No, so much *** warned for trolling ***, both of you.

...what was even the "joke" based around? I didn't get it.

Thats because there was no joke, someone jsut decided to say "So much win" for what is seemingly no reason...
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The Most Important Issue Result - "Robosexual marriages are increasingly common."

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Postby Kiruri » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:02 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:I'm not trolling >:|

I legitimately don't understand how fat people contain that weight.

That's kinda mean...
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:03 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
No, so much *** warned for trolling ***, both of you.

I'm not trolling >:|

I legitimately don't understand how fat people contain that weight.

Posts that can produce angry responses are trolling and the LGBT rights thread is not the place for that post. You've been around long enough to know the rules by now.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:03 am

Kiruri wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:I'm not trolling >:|

I legitimately don't understand how fat people contain that weight.

That's kinda mean...

We'll drop the subject now.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:03 am

Kiruri wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:I'm not trolling >:|

I legitimately don't understand how fat people contain that weight.

That's kinda mean...

Doesn't mean I was trolling, I just don't understand the weight difference, and I don't understand how they handle it.

Was my sentiment exactly the same in my quote? Not really, bad wording on my point.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:03 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Kiruri wrote:That's kinda mean...

Doesn't mean I was trolling, I just don't understand the weight difference, and I don't understand how they handle it.

Was my sentiment exactly the same in my quote? Not really, bad wording on my point.

Drop it.
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Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
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Postby Madnolia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:05 am

Divair2 wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Hmm that leaves open a new way of challenging. Corporations are people!!

Corporate personhood is such shit.


Corporations are people! So if a corporation is given money it goes into rich peoples pockets! Charity is alive and well.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:06 am

Farnhamia wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:I'm not trolling >:|

I legitimately don't understand how fat people contain that weight.

Posts that can produce angry responses are trolling and the LGBT rights thread is not the place for that post. You've been around long enough to know the rules by now.

Okay then, warn about every single person, or yourself, or everyone...

Thats not trolling...

"Submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inciting an angry response."

It requires intent.

And it was on off topic post that I felt was slightly relevant to the specific quote I had, mostly because I was surprised someone else had issues understanding something about other people.

I know I won't change your mind, but whatever...I'll take it....whatever I don't care anymore.
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Postby Neuhausen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:07 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
My opinion can be neither right or wrong. These laws may have been made by people who think otherwise, simple as that - it doesn't make me wrong.


It does, since it's an accepted business practice as well.

Really, what you're saying is that we as business owners should have an unimpeded right to be dicks. We do not. Again, our personal shit doesn't belong in business. Just because you're racist/homophobe/etc. doesn't mean your business has the right to be a discriminating business.


I told it is just my opinion. It can't be wrong nor right.

Well gay marriages are banned in most countries. Does it make gay marriages wrong? According to your logic it does.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:07 am

Farnhamia wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Doesn't mean I was trolling, I just don't understand the weight difference, and I don't understand how they handle it.

Was my sentiment exactly the same in my quote? Not really, bad wording on my point.

Drop it.

I hope my most recent post doesn't add to anything since...I couldn't respond to you till just after I posted...

So you know...my most recent post shouldn't count, just checking...
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:32 pm

Neuhausen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
It does, since it's an accepted business practice as well.

Really, what you're saying is that we as business owners should have an unimpeded right to be dicks. We do not. Again, our personal shit doesn't belong in business. Just because you're racist/homophobe/etc. doesn't mean your business has the right to be a discriminating business.


I told it is just my opinion. It can't be wrong nor right.


It can be wrong, when whatever facts/logic/assumptions you base said opinion on are wrong.
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:32 pm

Neuhausen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
It does, since it's an accepted business practice as well.

Really, what you're saying is that we as business owners should have an unimpeded right to be dicks. We do not. Again, our personal shit doesn't belong in business. Just because you're racist/homophobe/etc. doesn't mean your business has the right to be a discriminating business.


I told it is just my opinion. It can't be wrong nor right.

Well gay marriages are banned in most countries. Does it make gay marriages wrong? According to your logic it does.

Opinions can be wrong.

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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:36 pm

Hakio wrote:Heterosexual Couples: :hug: :kiss:
Homosexual Couples: :hug: :kiss:

Why should we treat them any differently?

'Cause dem homos are disgusting!

Seriously though, sexual orientation should not be the concern of any government. Let the people be gay. If for some odd reason every citizen becomes homosexual and the population dies off, we can at least say that we died out in a massive, nationwide orgy.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:38 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
I told it is just my opinion. It can't be wrong nor right.

Well gay marriages are banned in most countries. Does it make gay marriages wrong? According to your logic it does.

Opinions can be wrong.

Opinions are neither right or wrong.

My belief that the movie Airplane! is the funniest movie of all time can be denied by other individuals.
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:39 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Opinions can be wrong.

Opinions are neither right or wrong.

My belief that the movie Airplane! is the funniest movie of all time can be denied by other individuals.

Opinions can be right or wrong.
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