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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:58 am

The Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal of the case of the New Mexico photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian couple's wedding. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us/po ... f=politics
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Postby Agritum » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:00 am

Farnhamia wrote:The Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal of the case of the New Mexico photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian couple's wedding. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us/po ... f=politics

Ah, yeah, I remember that. It was the subject of an exquisitely flame-licious NSG thread some months ago.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:00 am

Farnhamia wrote:The Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal of the case of the New Mexico photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian couple's wedding. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us/po ... f=politics

Am I allowed a "FUCK YEAH"?
It was pretty evident the photographer was in the wrong, glad to hear the SC justices think alike.
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:06 am

I was never clear on this, why are transgenders exist? They fascinate me how they think as another gender but I don't understand. I googled it but I can't find any info.
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Postby Madnolia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:10 am

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:I was never clear on this, why are transgenders exist? They fascinate me how they think as another gender but I don't understand. I googled it but I can't find any info.


Some people are born as a mix of both genders, its not necessarily a behaviour thing, it can be biological too. Most choose to have operations to make them one or the other and thats where choice comes in.
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Postby Neuhausen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:14 am

Farnhamia wrote:The Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal of the case of the New Mexico photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian couple's wedding. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us/po ... f=politics


You can't force people to take pictures of things they do not want to. Just as LGBT people don't want to be discrimination by others we shouldn't be forcing people to do things that they feel are wrong.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:20 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal of the case of the New Mexico photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian couple's wedding. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us/po ... f=politics


You can't force people to take pictures of things they do not want to. Just as LGBT people don't want to be discrimination by others we shouldn't be forcing people to do things that they feel are wrong.


Problem: professional and personal rights are different.

I have an unlimited right to not allow people I please in my house; in a business I lose some of that right because of the same reason I am compelled to follow business law. Your personal and professional shit should be kept separate, and this is a good thing.
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:20 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal of the case of the New Mexico photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian couple's wedding. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us/po ... f=politics


You can't force people to take pictures of things they do not want to. Just as LGBT people don't want to be discrimination by others we shouldn't be forcing people to do things that they feel are wrong.

Solution: Don't found a public company.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:21 am

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:I was never clear on this, why are transgenders exist? They fascinate me how they think as another gender but I don't understand. I googled it but I can't find any info.

I had/have this exact same issue with fat people.
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Postby Neuhausen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:22 am

Divair2 wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
You can't force people to take pictures of things they do not want to. Just as LGBT people don't want to be discrimination by others we shouldn't be forcing people to do things that they feel are wrong.

Solution: Don't found a public company.


It is a private company.
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Postby Madnolia » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:23 am

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:I was never clear on this, why are transgenders exist? They fascinate me how they think as another gender but I don't understand. I googled it but I can't find any info.


I really hope that YouTube link in your sig isnt serious because my god that REEKS of bullshit.
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:23 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Solution: Don't found a public company.


It is a privately held company.

Privately held =/= not open to the public.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:24 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Solution: Don't found a public company.


It is a private company.


Being a private company doesn't give you an unlimited right to be a dick.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:24 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:I was never clear on this, why are transgenders exist? They fascinate me how they think as another gender but I don't understand. I googled it but I can't find any info.

I had/have this exact same issue with fat people.

This. So much win.
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Postby Neuhausen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:27 am

Divair2 wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
It is a privately held company.

Privately held =/= not open to the public.


Business owner should have a say in these things. If LGBT people visit a store you can't even notice that they are not straight. But weddings involve kissing and other stuff like that and it may be offensive to religious people.
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:27 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Privately held =/= not open to the public.


Business owner should have a say in these things. If LGBT people visit a store you can't even notice that they are not straight. But weddings involve kissing and other stuff like that and it may be offensive to religious people.

No. If you've got an issue serving customers, you can shut down.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:28 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Privately held =/= not open to the public.


Business owner should have a say in these things. If LGBT people visit a store you can't even notice that they are not straight. But weddings involve kissing and other stuff like that and it may be offensive to religious people.


And they're still a business.

If they don't want to follow a law pertaining to their chosen business then they should not be in that line of business to begin with.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:29 am

So much misinformation. Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. That includes regulation of private business, affecting said commerce. SCOTUS has upheld this. There is an inherent right of an owner to discriminate, but at the same time, Congress has the power to curtail that right and they have.
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Postby Neuhausen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:29 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
It is a private company.


Being a private company doesn't give you an unlimited right to be a dick.


It should.
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:29 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Being a private company doesn't give you an unlimited right to be a dick.


It should.

No.
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Postby Neuhausen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:31 am

Divair2 wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
Business owner should have a say in these things. If LGBT people visit a store you can't even notice that they are not straight. But weddings involve kissing and other stuff like that and it may be offensive to religious people.

No. If you've got an issue serving customers, you can shut down.


Isn't it wierd. LGBT people try to fight against discrimination but they are starting to discriminate people that are religious or don't have same views as them. Won't get very far like this.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:32 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Being a private company doesn't give you an unlimited right to be a dick.


It should.


No, it really should not.

Consumer protection laws and anti-discrimination laws passed over the years prove you wrong.
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:32 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Divair2 wrote:No. If you've got an issue serving customers, you can shut down.


Isn't it wierd. LGBT people try to fight against discrimination but they are starting to discriminate people that are religious or don't have same views as them. Won't get very far like this.

Not people. Companies. Companies do not get to discriminate. If the owner cannot handle operating a company, they can hand it over to someone who can or they can shut down.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:33 am

Neuhausen wrote:
Divair2 wrote:No. If you've got an issue serving customers, you can shut down.


Isn't it wierd. LGBT people try to fight against discrimination but they are starting to discriminate people that are religious or don't have same views as them. Won't get very far like this.


I am not LGBT, for the sake of this conversation. But I have been inside a business' operation; and your personal shit should never be involved in how you deal with your customers. It's what the "business rights" crowd don't get for some odd reason.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:34 am

Divair2 wrote:
Neuhausen wrote:
Isn't it wierd. LGBT people try to fight against discrimination but they are starting to discriminate people that are religious or don't have same views as them. Won't get very far like this.

Not people. Companies. Companies do not get to discriminate. If the owner cannot handle operating a company, they can hand it over to someone who can or they can shut down.

Hmm that leaves open a new way of challenging. Corporations are people!!
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