LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

And I do.

You're so mean.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

And I do.

You're so mean.

It's the frank truth. I won't be condescending by giving you a sugarcoated lie.

[Kiruri]

Yes. Because generalizations are always true

99% of rapes are men-on-women. 99.9% involve men somehow.

Does that mean that 99% of all men you meet will rape women? Does that mean that men are all intent on raping women?

It's not a stupid thing. If you claim it is misandrist, you are missing half of the point of describing attitudes as discriminatory.That's like saying you're a racist for taking vaccines before a trip to Africa if you don't take them against the risks that might affect you in America..

I was referring to the bathroom thing.

[Des-Bal]

99% of rapes are men-on-women. 99.9% involve men somehow.

It's not a stupid thing. If you claim it is misandrist, you are missing half of the point of describing attitudes as discriminatory.

That's like saying you're a racist for taking vaccines before a trip to Africa if you don't take them against the risks that might affect you in America.

Except race is incidental in Africa, sex is inherent to the beast here. A better comparison is clutching your wallet when a black person walks by because they tend to commit more crimes.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You're so mean.

It's the frank truth. I won't be condescending by giving you a sugarcoated lie.

"Often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of."

It's rude to admit to thinking that even if you had a decently rational basis to think so.

It's not a stupid thing. If you claim it is misandrist, you are missing half of the point of describing attitudes as discriminatory.That's like saying you're a racist for taking vaccines before a trip to Africa if you don't take them against the risks that might affect you in America..

I was referring to the bathroom thing.

Yeah, but pay attention to my comparison. You are doing the same thing.

"Oh, but it's not like America doesn't have deadly diseases and like Africa will necessarily get you on the border between life and death! You are being so bigoted and judgmental for taking precautions and getting a safe distance from vulnerable spaces where you can be predated with a very strong possibility of having no one for you to seek help!"

There can be arguments on whether this is the case, but for this we need studies.

[Kiruri]

Yeah, but pay attention to my comparison. You are doing the same thing.

"Oh, but it's not like America doesn't have deadly diseases and like Africa will necessarily get you on the border between life and death! You are being so bigoted and judgmental for taking precautions and getting a safe distance from vulnerable spaces where you can be predated with a very strong possibility of having no one for you to seek help!"

There can be arguments on whether this is the case, but for this we need studies.

I fail to see how it's the same.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Yeah, but pay attention to my comparison. You are doing the same thing.

"Oh, but it's not like America doesn't have deadly diseases and like Africa will necessarily get you on the border between life and death! You are being so bigoted and judgmental for taking precautions and getting a safe distance from vulnerable spaces where you can be predated with a very strong possibility of having no one for you to seek help!"

There can be arguments on whether this is the case, but for this we need studies.

I fail to see how it's the same.

99.9% of rape involve men. 99.9% of your chances to acquire, say, malaria, happen in fucked up countries.

Let's forget the risk and focus on how it's an unfair, dehumanizing stereotype!

[Kiruri]

I fail to see how it's the same.

99.9% of rape involve men. 99.9% of your chances to acquire, say, malaria, happen in fucked up countries.

Let's forget the risk and focus on how it's an unfair, dehumanizing stereotype!

Um.. are we agreeing on the same thing?
Or I'm to sleepy that I have no idea what I'm blabbing about

[Des-Bal]

99.9% of rape involve men. 99.9% of your chances to acquire, say, malaria, happen in fucked up countries.

Let's forget the risk and focus on how it's an unfair, dehumanizing stereotype!

Why the actual hell would segregated bathrooms prevent rape? Is the logic that if a man chances upon a woman, perhaps dressed provocatively, in the bathroom he will be overcome with rape lust and rape her? What's stopping him from waiting outside the bathroom and following her in? Hell, if anything doubling the chance a non-rapist will stumble into the bathroom is a good thing.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Why the actual hell would segregated bathrooms prevent rape? Is the logic that if a man chances upon a woman, perhaps dressed provocatively, in the bathroom he will be overcome with rape lust and rape her? What's stopping him from waiting outside the bathroom and following her in? Hell, if anything doubling the chance a non-rapist will stumble into the bathroom is a good thing.

This is a reason why people would preferentially go to places where plenty of other people for them to seek help of are available, and where men entering women's restrooms would cause plenty of issue.

This aside, most rapes are practiced by someone the victim knows. It's not absurd to expect that it would make certain kinds of workplace safer.

[Kiruri]

Why the actual hell would segregated bathrooms prevent rape? Is the logic that if a man chances upon a woman, perhaps dressed provocatively, in the bathroom he will be overcome with rape lust and rape her? What's stopping him from waiting outside the bathroom and following her in? Hell, if anything doubling the chance a non-rapist will stumble into the bathroom is a good thing.

This is a reason why people would preferentially go to places where plenty of other people for them to seek help of are available, and where men entering women's restrooms would cause plenty of issue.

This aside, most rapes are practiced by someone the victim knows. It's not absurd to expect that it would make certain kinds of workplace safer.

How does bathrooms have anything to do with this? Besides.. I argue that you stated bathrooms are segregated for safety... but I beg to differ.

[Des-Bal]

This is a reason why people would preferentially go to places where plenty of other people for them to seek help of are available, and where men entering women's restrooms would cause plenty of issue.

This aside, most rapes are practiced by someone the victim knows. It's not absurd to expect that it would make certain kinds of workplace safer.

Uh no, see that doesn't matter. Nobody is going to rape someone and expect to get away with it while there's someone else in the bathroom or a reasonable risk that someone else might be in the bathroom. Unisex bathrooms mean there is twice as much foot traffic in that bathroom.

By that logic men and women should just be segregated in the workplace.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Uh no, see that doesn't matter. Nobody is going to rape someone and expect to get away with it while there's someone else in the bathroom or a reasonable risk that someone else might be in the bathroom. Unisex bathrooms mean there is twice as much foot traffic in that bathroom.

By that logic men and women should just be segregated in the workplace.

I don't necessarily agree with their logic.

It's more of how I think it shouldn't be misrepresented.

Since I don't actually believe it, I'm not the best to do it though.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes. Because generalizations are always true

99% of rapes are men-on-women. 99.9% involve men somehow.

It's not a stupid thing. If you claim it is misandrist, you are missing half of the point of describing attitudes as discriminatory.

That's like saying you're a racist for taking vaccines before a trip to Africa if you don't take them against the risks that might affect you in America.

Do you have actual data that 99% of rapes are men on women and that 99.9% involve men somehow?

I mean, surely, you have accurate statistics to back this mathematical impossibility that makes your country seem like it's inhabited by a disparingly amount of men who behave like monkeys and you are seemingly the only enlightened one.

[Divair2]

I fail to see how it's the same.

99.9% of rape involve men. 99.9% of your chances to acquire, say, malaria, happen in fucked up countries.

Let's forget the risk and focus on how it's an unfair, dehumanizing stereotype!

Source.

[Threlizdun]

Why the actual hell would segregated bathrooms prevent rape? Is the logic that if a man chances upon a woman, perhaps dressed provocatively, in the bathroom he will be overcome with rape lust and rape her? What's stopping him from waiting outside the bathroom and following her in? Hell, if anything doubling the chance a non-rapist will stumble into the bathroom is a good thing.

This is a reason why people would preferentially go to places where plenty of other people for them to seek help of are available, and where men entering women's restrooms would cause plenty of issue.

What bullshit. All segregated restrooms do is place increased burden on the disabled and elderly and make the lives of trans people hell. Someone willing to rape someone is not going to be stopped by a sign on the door.

This aside, most rapes are practiced by someone the victim knows. It's not absurd to expect that it would make certain kinds of workplace safer.

It is absurd. A place that literally anyone can use and frequent use is honestly expected is one of the less likely places for a rape to occur.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender

Got the number wrong. Memory failed me.

91% of the ones that are registered as such are man-on-woman, 9% man-on-man.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

You're so mean.

It's the frank truth. I won't be condescending by giving you a sugarcoated lie.

Oh boy!

I love sugar!

[Benuty]

It's the frank truth. I won't be condescending by giving you a sugarcoated lie.

Oh boy!

I love sugar!

Sugar kills people you know.

[Grenartia]

Why should cis people be somehow protected of oh-so-mean-and-invasive-and-obnoxious us trans people?

As if you didn't already have privilege in all other areas of life?

Why should one care about how they feel about our existence and how they judge our gender as legitimate?

In most cultures, a cis man walking into a woman's bathroom would make the women very uncomfortable.

A woman who is biologically male walking into a woman's bathroom would have the same effect, is what he's saying.

Why should a transwoman have to use the men's room, then? Where she would be most likely exposed as a transwoman, and likely subsequently beaten/raped/killed?

Ah, no. See, the argument is that trans women should be allowed to use the women's restroom because they're women.

And the other argument is that they may be women, but cis women would feel extremely uncomfortable by this. In my area, it would never fly.

And the counter argument is that by not allowing transwomen to use the women's room, you're allowing them to get beaten/raped/killed just for trying to use the fucking bathroom. In any reasonable society, that is what should never fly.

[Des-Bal]

Why should a transwoman have to use the men's room, then? Where she would be most likely exposed as a transwoman, and likely subsequently beaten/raped/killed?


And the counter argument is that by not allowing transwomen to use the women's room, you're allowing them to get beaten/raped/killed just for trying to use the fucking bathroom. In any reasonable society, that is what should never fly.

You said likely a couple times there, how likely exactly?

[Grenartia]

Why should a transwoman have to use the men's room, then? Where she would be most likely exposed as a transwoman, and likely subsequently beaten/raped/killed?


And the counter argument is that by not allowing transwomen to use the women's room, you're allowing them to get beaten/raped/killed just for trying to use the fucking bathroom. In any reasonable society, that is what should never fly.

You said likely a couple times there, how likely exactly?

I'm afraid I don't have any exact numbers immediately on hand (I'd rather not keep too many depressing statistics dedicated to memory, for obvious reasons of personal morale), but this source should provide the relevant information.

[Des-Bal]

I'm afraid I don't have any exact numbers immediately on hand (I'd rather not keep too many depressing statistics dedicated to memory, for obvious reasons of personal morale), but this source should provide the relevant information.

That's 219 pages, I searched a few keywords and didn't come up with anything that would answer my question.

You're talking about violent criminals making rampant attacks of opportunity in mens restrooms. Can I use the ladies room? I'm not fond of violent criminals either. I'm a fella but given that gender is a matter of your internal state I'm no different than an mtf who isn't passing. I might make the patrons uncomfortable but I believe we've established that's of no real concern.

[Grenartia]

I'm afraid I don't have any exact numbers immediately on hand (I'd rather not keep too many depressing statistics dedicated to memory, for obvious reasons of personal morale), but this source should provide the relevant information.

That's 219 pages, I searched a few keywords and didn't come up with anything that would answer my question.

You're talking about violent criminals making rampant attacks of opportunity in mens restrooms. Can I use the ladies room? I'm not fond of violent criminals either. I'm a fella but given that gender is a matter of your internal state I'm no different than an mtf who isn't passing. I might make the patrons uncomfortable but I believe we've established that's of no real concern.

You're not a woman. And you're not a woman who would otherwise have to use the men's room.

[Des-Bal]

You're not a woman. And you're not a woman who would otherwise have to use the men's room.

So?