LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Solid Steel Fourth Reich]

Wouldn't the actual women feel pretty uncomfortable with what looks like a dude peeping around the bathrooms?

You are an even more terrible person.

Lol, true feminism wouldn't fight against a class of people who have a worse gender experience in patriarchy than the vast majority of women!

The other reasons would be [trans]mis"andry", moral panic and social conservatism, and those are bullshit arguments.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, or if you're arguing for my view on this particular topic or against it.

That particular comment I made had nothing to do with feminism.

If its unfair to make "men" who identify as women go to mens bathrooms because it makes them uncomfortable, then how can you have them go to women's bathrooms making all the other women in that bathroom uncomfortable?

I don't mind gay marriage and rights, but when we start talking about the bipan-gendersexual people the arguments really lose a lot of traction with me.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

If its unfair to make "men" who identify as women go to mens bathrooms because it makes them uncomfortable, then how can you have them go to women's bathrooms making all the other women in that bathroom uncomfortable?

Why should cis people be somehow protected of oh-so-mean-and-invasive-and-obnoxious us trans people?

As if you didn't already have privilege in all other areas of life?

Why should one care about how they feel about our existence and how they judge our gender as legitimate?

[Kiruri]

If its unfair to make "men" who identify as women go to mens bathrooms because it makes them uncomfortable, then how can you have them go to women's bathrooms making all the other women in that bathroom uncomfortable?

Why should cis people be somehow protected of oh-so-mean-and-invasive-and-obnoxious us trans people?

As if you didn't already have privilege in all other areas of life?

Why should one care about how they feel about our existence and how they judge our gender as legitimate?

I support "traditional bathrooms" staying traditional because biological women cannot use a urinal (regardless of those pseudo-paper-penis thingies). But they must, eventually, fade out in order for both-sex bathrooms to pop in. After all... not like bathrooms at home are segregated, so, no need for them to be

[Nightkill the Emperor]

If its unfair to make "men" who identify as women go to mens bathrooms because it makes them uncomfortable, then how can you have them go to women's bathrooms making all the other women in that bathroom uncomfortable?

Why should cis people be somehow protected of oh-so-mean-and-invasive-and-obnoxious us trans people?

As if you didn't already have privilege in all other areas of life?

Why should one care about how they feel about our existence and how they judge our gender as legitimate?

In most cultures, a cis man walking into a woman's bathroom would make the women very uncomfortable.

A woman who is biologically male walking into a woman's bathroom would have the same effect, is what he's saying.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I support "traditional bathrooms" staying traditional because biological women cannot use a urinal (regardless of those pseudo-paper-penis thingies). But they must, eventually, fade out in order for both-sex bathrooms to pop in. After all... not like bathrooms at home are segregated, so, no need for them to be

That depends on the society.

Here in Brazil, I can see why females would ask for their own spaces, especially when we consider their necessity to feel safe when left alone in a place of vulnerability and how prevalent is public sex.

[Kiruri]

I support "traditional bathrooms" staying traditional because biological women cannot use a urinal (regardless of those pseudo-paper-penis thingies). But they must, eventually, fade out in order for both-sex bathrooms to pop in. After all... not like bathrooms at home are segregated, so, no need for them to be

That depends on the society.

Here in Brazil, I can see why females would ask for their own spaces, especially when we consider their necessity to feel safe when left alone in a place of vulnerability and how prevalent is public sex.

my my, speak of the modern Sodom and Gomorrah

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

In most cultures, a cis man walking into a woman's bathroom would make the women very uncomfortable.

A woman who is biologically male walking into a woman's bathroom would have the same effect, is what he's saying.

As someone non-binary who looks like a very convincingly masculine metalhead, my argument is about people who are potential targets of attack in male restrooms for transphobia and sexualized misogyny.

[Solid Steel Fourth Reich]

If its unfair to make "men" who identify as women go to mens bathrooms because it makes them uncomfortable, then how can you have them go to women's bathrooms making all the other women in that bathroom uncomfortable?

Why should cis people be somehow protected of oh-so-mean-and-invasive-and-obnoxious us trans people?

As if you didn't already have privilege in all other areas of life?

Why should one care about how they feel about our existence and how they judge our gender as legitimate?

... The argument that trans women (women who look like men? I don't know exact terminology) should be allowed in women's bathrooms because mens' bathrooms make them feel uncomfortable (1 person)
That argument is invalid because having a trans woman in a female bathroom would according to the same theory make ALL the women besides the trans woman uncomfortable (more than 1 person

1person <more than one person

The goal is to make less people uncomfortable, therefore that's a bad argument.

>privileges for being straight
I'm not against gay marriages and actual privileges/rights.
However the massive amount of categorizations for gender identities seems a bit silly to me personally, and that it really doesn't matter. If need be, just leave an "other" option on and let people fill in what they want on surveys, instead of creating 20+ different sexualities.

"Why should one care about how they feel about our existence and how they judge our gender as legitimate?"
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but I never said any gender identity is illegitimate. My current stance on having a gender identity is why bother? We don't have individual gender identities for men who like black haired or blonde women, should we add those too?

[Solid Steel Fourth Reich]

Why should cis people be somehow protected of oh-so-mean-and-invasive-and-obnoxious us trans people?

As if you didn't already have privilege in all other areas of life?

Why should one care about how they feel about our existence and how they judge our gender as legitimate?

In most cultures, a cis man walking into a woman's bathroom would make the women very uncomfortable.

A woman who is biologically male walking into a woman's bathroom would have the same effect, is what he's saying.

Nightkill gets it

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

-snip-

I think I am going to ask you to reiterate your points in a more concise and coherent manner.

Anyway, no, segregated restrooms aren't that way because of [emotional] "comfort", but because of safety.

People who wouldn't be safe in a male restroom would probably be readily identifiable by women why their reasons would be such. If they have a grudge against "freaks" or whatever, that's their problem, the immediate necessity to have your human rights and privacy not violated comes before.

[Kiruri]

-snip-

I think I am going to ask you to reiterate your points in a more concise and coherent manner.

Anyway, no, segregated restrooms aren't that way because of [emotional] "comfort", but because of safety.

People who wouldn't be safe in a male restroom would probably be readily identifiable by women why their reasons would be such. If they have a grudge against "freaks" or whatever, that's their problem, the immediate necessity to have your human rights and privacy not violated comes before.

because of safety? I doubt it...

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Nightkill gets it

Nightkill also thinks I'm an annoying SJW.

I'm obviously not asking to go there, not even if I shave my beard and wear pink and makeup. Or people like me. We are not correcting our sense of gender dysphoria right now, thus we don't communicate who we are, so we don't violate an unwritten rule about the necessity of our non-existence.

Others might do so, though.

[Benuty]

Nightkill gets it

Nightkill also thinks I'm an annoying SJW.

I'm obviously not asking to go there, not even if I shave my beard and wear pink and makeup. Or people like me. We are not correcting our sense of gender dysphoria right now, thus we don't communicate who we are, so we don't violate an unwritten rule about the necessity of our non-existence.

Others might do so, though.

Your a Jehovah witness?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

because of safety? I doubt it...

That'd be the feminist reason for it and the only one I accept. :/

Having chances of being more child-friendly by making them sex-segregated helps, too.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Your a Jehovah witness?

"Social justice warrior".

"Politically conscious" "Tumblr types".

[Solid Steel Fourth Reich]

-snip-

I think I am going to ask you to reiterate your points in a more concise and coherent manner.

Anyway, no, segregated restrooms aren't that way because of [emotional] "comfort", but because of safety.

People who wouldn't be safe in a male restroom would probably be readily identifiable by women why their reasons would be such. If they have a grudge against "freaks" or whatever, that's their problem, the immediate necessity to have your human rights and privacy not violated comes before.

Ok here we go

1. Individuals who look like men on the outside but feel like women on the inside should not be allowed in women's bathrooms because "it would make them more comfortable" because it would end up making all the women in said bathroom equally uncomfortable

2. Gay marriage, equal rights is good

3. We just don't need a gender identity for every individual.
While trans, pans etc. speak out about wanting these, men who like black women vs. men who like white women could also be considered different gender identities, it's just not worth fighting about

[Benuty]

Your a Jehovah witness?

"Social justice warrior".

"Politically conscious" "Tumblr types".

That was a joke .

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Nightkill also thinks I'm an annoying SJW.

I'm obviously not asking to go there, not even if I shave my beard and wear pink and makeup. Or people like me. We are not correcting our sense of gender dysphoria right now, thus we don't communicate who we are, so we don't violate an unwritten rule about the necessity of our non-existence.

Others might do so, though.

Your a Jehovah witness?

Social Justice Warrior, a group that severely gets upon my nerves.

And I do.

[Kiruri]

because of safety? I doubt it...

That'd be the feminist reason for it and the only one I accept. :/

Having chances of being more child-friendly by making them sex-segregated helps, too.

Well... >;/ what a reversed-"machista" way of thinking.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

That'd be the feminist reason for it and the only one I accept. :/

Having chances of being more child-friendly by making them sex-segregated helps, too.

Well... >;/ what a reversed-"machista" way of thinking.

After this week, I can't blame our women. At all.

[Linux and the X]

... The argument that trans women (women who look like men? I don't know exact terminology) should be allowed in women's bathrooms because mens' bathrooms make them feel uncomfortable (1 person)

Ah, no. See, the argument is that trans women should be allowed to use the women's restroom because they're women.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

... The argument that trans women (women who look like men? I don't know exact terminology) should be allowed in women's bathrooms because mens' bathrooms make them feel uncomfortable (1 person)

Ah, no. See, the argument is that trans women should be allowed to use the women's restroom because they're women.

And the other argument is that they may be women, but cis women would feel extremely uncomfortable by this. In my area, it would never fly.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

1. Individuals who look like men on the outside but feel like women on the inside should not be allowed in women's bathrooms because "it would make them more comfortable" because it would end up making all the women in said bathroom equally uncomfortable

2. Gay marriage, equal rights is good

3. We just don't need a gender identity for every individual.
While trans, pans etc. speak out about wanting these, men who like black women vs. men who like white women could also be considered different gender identities, it's just not worth fighting about

1. Not arguing for people of masculine gender expression to go there. Solely people of feminine or other kinds of visibly queer ones.

3. Okay...? How is this relevant? We aren't asking for laws directed at every single group.
No, they're not about gender, they're about sexuality, and those sexual proclivities are not inborn and earn you a "freak" badge that might make you enter some Polish corridor or gang rape.

[Kiruri]

Well... >;/ what a reversed-"machista" way of thinking.

After this week, I can't blame our women. At all.

Yes. Because generalizations are always true

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

After this week, I can't blame our women. At all.

Yes. Because generalizations are always true

99% of rapes are men-on-women. 99.9% involve men somehow.

It's not a stupid thing. If you claim it is misandrist, you are missing half of the point of describing attitudes as discriminatory.

That's like saying you're a racist for taking vaccines before a trip to Africa if you don't take them against the risks that might affect you in America.