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Postby Scholmeria » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:31 am

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:There are more important things in the world that should receive more attention, like the poor people in Africa, poverty and so ob. With a less one signator the petitions does not lose much.

I'm not saying you should as an individual, I'm saying that your belittling of this cause is a bit inappropriate to say the least.

People being raped and arrested gender-segregated contrary to their identity is not much unlike extreme misery caused by poverty (I won't argue what is worse, rape or starving, but sure both are terrible).

I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?
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Postby Fabulous Rainicorns » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:46 am


That's great. I'll be signing as soon as I get home.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:48 am

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I'm not saying you should as an individual, I'm saying that your belittling of this cause is a bit inappropriate to say the least.

People being raped and arrested gender-segregated contrary to their identity is not much unlike extreme misery caused by poverty (I won't argue what is worse, rape or starving, but sure both are terrible).

I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?

Regardless....there is this wonderful concept called multitasking.
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Postby Kiruri » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:53 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?

Regardless....there is this wonderful concept called multitasking.


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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:57 am

Scholmeria wrote:I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?

I will pull a Libertarian California and tell ya that you say it like us individual citizens are more easily responsible to a hellhole of ethnic hatred, political corruption, religious fundamentalism and oppression than our own culture and political system.
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Postby Vorkova » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:01 am


How does pangender and gendefluid work? I've heard of a third gender, but not those two.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:05 am

Vorkova wrote:

How does pangender and gendefluid work? I've heard of a third gender, but not those two.

Genderfluid is when your gender is not at some fixed point. I'd also say that it's not dependent on the people around you, but this is one particular definition.

Pangender is harder to explain. This linky explains it best of the first Google options I got: http://genderqueerid.com/post/26708712037/what-makes-someone-pangender-im-female-and-i-feel

It's a bit similar to genderfluid, but instead of it varying in a very specific fashion (female-to-androgynous, female-to-agender), it likes to dance all over the spectrum.
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:44 am

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I'm not saying you should as an individual, I'm saying that your belittling of this cause is a bit inappropriate to say the least.

People being raped and arrested gender-segregated contrary to their identity is not much unlike extreme misery caused by poverty (I won't argue what is worse, rape or starving, but sure both are terrible).

I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.
50% assaulted, one in twelve murdered. No, they are not even remotely overreacting.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?
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Postby Thafoo » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:48 am

Threlizdun wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.
50% assaulted, one in twelve murdered. No, they are not even remotely overreacting.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?
8-16% of the population doesn't matter now and we are incapable of multitasking?

Besides, no matter how large or small the minority/majority, the fact remains that they are human beings. You can't say one minority is more worth assisting than another.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:14 am

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Postby Rocopurr » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:31 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I'm not saying you should as an individual, I'm saying that your belittling of this cause is a bit inappropriate to say the least.

People being raped and arrested gender-segregated contrary to their identity is not much unlike extreme misery caused by poverty (I won't argue what is worse, rape or starving, but sure both are terrible).

I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?

What about LGBT kids? The two groups can overlap.

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Question: Can a non-American sign these petitions?

I believe so. You just have to give a name and email to join the site, so why not?
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:49 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:So you are saying that a chick who doesn't want a surgery or doesn't want to change her papers should go to a male prison, or be arrested for using the restroom she feels more comfortable with, for example?

There are more important things in the world that should receive more attention, like the poor people in Africa, poverty and so ob. With a less one signator the petitions does not lose much.


Thank god/fate/the universe/atheismo/SCIENCE! all governments can multitask, then.

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I'm not saying you should as an individual, I'm saying that your belittling of this cause is a bit inappropriate to say the least.

People being raped and arrested gender-segregated contrary to their identity is not much unlike extreme misery caused by poverty (I won't argue what is worse, rape or starving, but sure both are terrible).

1. I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

2. Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. 3. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?


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Postby Liriena » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:01 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Liriena wrote:Question: Can a non-American sign these petitions?

I believe so. You just have to give a name and email to join the site, so why not?

DONE! :blush:
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:04 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Liriena wrote:Question: Can a non-American sign these petitions?

I believe so. You just have to give a name and email to join the site, so why not?

Are you sure it isn't illegal? I don't want to do something to help it be dismissed.
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Postby Rocopurr » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:10 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:I believe so. You just have to give a name and email to join the site, so why not?

Are you sure it isn't illegal? I don't want to do something to help it be dismissed.

I have no idea of the legality of that. I won't judge you if you didn't sign because of that, ofc.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:14 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Are you sure it isn't illegal? I don't want to do something to help it be dismissed.

I have no idea of the legality of that. I won't judge you if you didn't sign because of that, ofc.

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Postby Libertarian California » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:47 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?

I will pull a Libertarian California and tell ya that you say it like us individual citizens are more easily responsible to a hellhole of ethnic hatred, political corruption, religious fundamentalism and oppression than our own culture and political system.


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Postby Othelos » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:08 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:So you are saying that a chick who doesn't want a surgery or doesn't want to change her papers should go to a male prison, or be arrested for using the restroom she feels more comfortable with, for example?

There are more important things in the world that should receive more attention, like the poor people in Africa, poverty and so ob. With a less one signator the petitions does not lose much.

So confused as to why you think problems can only be solved one at a time.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:09 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I'm not saying you should as an individual, I'm saying that your belittling of this cause is a bit inappropriate to say the least.

People being raped and arrested gender-segregated contrary to their identity is not much unlike extreme misery caused by poverty (I won't argue what is worse, rape or starving, but sure both are terrible).

I think you are overeacting. There is hardly cases that you have described.

Also, poverty is something that affects a large scale of people regardless of their indentity while the problem that concernes you is a problem of a fashionable minority. Kids are far important than LGTBers. Dont you agree with that?

People are people and all people are important.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:27 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:I believe so. You just have to give a name and email to join the site, so why not?

Are you sure it isn't illegal? I don't want to do something to help it be dismissed.


I am not sure about legality, although many non-Americans have made petitions on that site. My guess is since this is America specific that any signatures from those who are not US citizens would simply be discarded.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:48 pm

Neutraligon wrote:I am not sure about legality, although many non-Americans have made petitions on that site. My guess is since this is America specific that any signatures from those who are not US citizens would simply be discarded.


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Postby Selandian States » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:35 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:So you are saying that a chick who doesn't want a surgery or doesn't want to change her papers should go to a male prison, or be arrested for using the restroom she feels more comfortable with, for example?

There are more important things in the world that should receive more attention, like the poor people in Africa, poverty and so ob. With a less one signator the petitions does not lose much.



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Postby Mons Garle » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:47 pm

Well if there's one thing that has brought LGBT people much closer to full equality it's the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 in the UK. Definitely a step in the right direction!
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Postby Solid Steel Fourth Reich » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:14 pm

Selandian States wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:There are more important things in the world that should receive more attention, like the poor people in Africa, poverty and so ob. With a less one signator the petitions does not lose much.



You are a terrible person.


Edit: this quote was from a quote in the quote that seems to have disappeared.
"restroom she feels more comfortable with"

Wouldn't the actual women feel pretty uncomfortable with what looks like a dude peeping around the bathrooms?

Also how can you possibly compare gender identity issues to poverty and starvation? First world problems much?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:18 pm

Solid Steel Fourth Reich wrote:Wouldn't the actual women feel pretty uncomfortable with what looks like a dude peeping around the bathrooms?

You are an even more terrible person.

Lol, true feminism wouldn't fight against a class of people who have a worse gender experience in patriarchy than the vast majority of women!

The other reasons would be [trans]mis"andry", moral panic and social conservatism, and those are bullshit arguments.
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