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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:51 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:So you don't think males are worthy of respect?

Don't you think men are going through enough?

Why should men tough it out, but not women?

Women also hate to be treated like weak little children.

Most often than not, when they aren't brainwashed about how they should be because someone taught them that this is their inherent natural role, they want to show they're as capable of stuff and as strong as men, if not more in the context.


Sure. Problem is that his rhetoric is based entirely around being nice to women and fucking over men.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:52 pm

The Rich Port wrote:... I'm not sure how I feel about you two turning feminism into a dick/clitoral-measuring contest.

Admittedly, my approach was more of "common enemy" in nature this time.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:53 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
So you don't think males are worthy of respect?

Don't you think men are going through enough?

Why should men tough it out, but not women?

The only males worthy of respect as strong ones, men of actin, virtue, honor, and action.

A real man can go through anything and tough it out. No man should ever become emotionally weak. The only time for sensitivity is during romantic quality time with your woman.

Women should not have to tough it out. They're sensitive and prone to strong emotions, and are already plagued with menstrual cycles, and after, child rearing and labor.

Men have the same emotional responses as women. Why shouldn't both be subject to the same burden? Also, you're gonna need a source for those ideals. Your own opinion doesn't suffice.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:53 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
So you don't think males are worthy of respect?

Don't you think men are going through enough?

Why should men tough it out, but not women?

The only males worthy of respect as strong ones, men of actin, virtue, honor, and action.

A real man can go through anything and tough it out. No man should ever become emotionally weak. The only time for sensitivity is during romantic quality time with your woman.

Women should not have to tough it out. They're sensitive and prone to strong emotions, and are already plagued with menstrual cycles, and after, child rearing and labor.


Right.
And have you consulted people other than histories wackiest dictators to come to this conclusion, or would it be too much trouble to talk to, say, a sociologist?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:54 pm

Iron Guard wrote:The only males worthy of respect as strong ones, men of actin, virtue, honor, and action.

A real man can go through anything and tough it out. No man should ever become emotionally weak. The only time for sensitivity is during romantic quality time with your woman.

Women should not have to tough it out. They're sensitive and prone to strong emotions, and are already plagued with menstrual cycles, and after, child rearing and labor.

Many women nevertheless are stronger than any of these white cis straight middle class guys in developed countries around the internet crying oppression and/or being at the spot of a campaign of hate and persecution.

And they want equal opportunity and treatment as such.
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Postby Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
So you don't think males are worthy of respect?

Don't you think men are going through enough?

Why should men tough it out, but not women?

The only males worthy of respect as strong ones, men of actin, virtue, honor, and action.

A real man can go through anything and tough it out. No man should ever become emotionally weak. The only time for sensitivity is during romantic quality time with your woman.

Women should not have to tough it out. They're sensitive and prone to strong emotions, and are already plagued with menstrual cycles, and after, child rearing and labor.

Sorry, the only qualifications needed to be MaleTM are male chromosomes, gonads and genitals.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Women also hate to be treated like weak little children.

Most often than not, when they aren't brainwashed about how they should be because someone taught them that this is their inherent natural role, they want to show they're as capable of stuff and as strong as men, if not more in the context.


Sure. Problem is that his rhetoric is based entirely around being nice to women and fucking over men.

I haven't seen that much 'fucking over' of men. Besides the traditionalist view, it seems men benefit far more in the current system.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sure. Problem is that his rhetoric is based entirely around being nice to women and fucking over men.

I haven't seen that much 'fucking over' of men. Besides the traditionalist view, it seems men benefit far more in the current system.


Source? (Remember that a disempowered women has high visibility due to feminism currently. A disempowered men? No.)
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Right.
And have you consulted people other than histories wackiest dictators to come to this conclusion, or would it be too much trouble to talk to, say, a sociologist?

This, really. lol

Maybe he will say it's impossible for people who specialize in Humanities be anything alike his "New Man". It's not valid if it doesn't worship fucked up gender roles enough. :roll:
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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:56 pm

Its a Texas Thing wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:The only males worthy of respect as strong ones, men of actin, virtue, honor, and action.

A real man can go through anything and tough it out. No man should ever become emotionally weak. The only time for sensitivity is during romantic quality time with your woman.

Women should not have to tough it out. They're sensitive and prone to strong emotions, and are already plagued with menstrual cycles, and after, child rearing and labor.

Sorry, the only qualifications needed to be MaleTM are male chromosomes, gonads and genitals.


I imagine psychological identity should suffice, even.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:56 pm

Its a Texas Thing wrote:Sorry, the only qualifications needed to be MaleTM are male chromosomes, gonads and genitals. identifying as such.

Ficks'd. :P
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:57 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Right.
And have you consulted people other than histories wackiest dictators to come to this conclusion, or would it be too much trouble to talk to, say, a sociologist?

This, really. lol

Maybe he will say it's impossible for people who specialize in Humanities be anything alike his "New Man". It's not valid if it doesn't worship fucked up gender roles enough. :roll:


I think bugs bunny has some real strong points on the economy. I'll just base my worldview around that without looking any further into the matter.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:57 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:I imagine psychological identity should suffice, even.

Damn Mormon ninjas. ;)
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Postby Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:58 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Its a Texas Thing wrote:Sorry, the only qualifications needed to be MaleTM are male chromosomes, gonads and genitals. identifying as such.

Ficks'd. :P

Whatever, I meant the sex with balls and a penis, not the identity.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:01 pm

Its a Texas Thing wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:The only males worthy of respect as strong ones, men of actin, virtue, honor, and action.

A real man can go through anything and tough it out. No man should ever become emotionally weak. The only time for sensitivity is during romantic quality time with your woman.

Women should not have to tough it out. They're sensitive and prone to strong emotions, and are already plagued with menstrual cycles, and after, child rearing and labor.

Sorry, the only qualifications needed to be MaleTM are male chromosomes, gonads and genitals.


Redundant, are we? :p
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:02 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:Redundant, are we? :p

There was a Chinese man who found after 10 years of marriage in his 40s he actually had an uterus, ovaries and menstrual cycles, so not really.
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Postby Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:03 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Its a Texas Thing wrote:Sorry, the only qualifications needed to be MaleTM are male chromosomes, gonads and genitals.


Redundant, are we? :p

Isn't it possible to have male chromosomes and female genitals or have I missed out on anything on the intersex lessons?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:04 pm

Its a Texas Thing wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Redundant, are we? :p

Isn't it possible to have male chromosomes and female genitals or have I missed out on anything on the intersex lessons?

No, you weren't redundant.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:06 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:... I'm not sure how I feel about you two turning feminism into a dick/clitoral-measuring contest.

Admittedly, my approach was more of "common enemy" in nature this time.


Actually, if I can be perfectly frank, that aspect turns me on for some reason.
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Postby Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:08 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Its a Texas Thing wrote:Isn't it possible to have male chromosomes and female genitals or have I missed out on anything on the intersex lessons?

No, you weren't redundant.

My body is confused. What's are you talking about?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:09 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:... I'm not sure how I feel about you two turning feminism into a dick/clitoral-measuring contest.

Admittedly, my approach was more of "common enemy" in nature this time.


Pretty much.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:09 pm

The Rich Port wrote:Actually, if I can be perfectly frank, that aspect turns me on for some reason.

:blush:

I'm actually not that different from Ostro, in comparison to the mainstream of feminism in my country.
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Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:11 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Redundant, are we? :p

There was a Chinese man who found after 10 years of marriage in his 40s he actually had an uterus, ovaries and menstrual cycles, so not really.


Aren't gonads part of your genitals?!

Or did I make a left turn in anatomy 101?
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Postby Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:15 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:There was a Chinese man who found after 10 years of marriage in his 40s he actually had an uterus, ovaries and menstrual cycles, so not really.


Aren't gonads part of your genitals?!

Or did I make a left turn in anatomy 101?

Nah. AFAIK balls and ovaries are the gonads while penis and vagina are the genitals.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:16 pm

Its a Texas Thing wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:No, you weren't redundant.

My body is confused. What's are you talking about?

You gave the correct definition.

Chromosomes, gonads, genital shape, endocrine gearing and neurological wiring are all independent from each other in continua "male"-ambiguous/absent-"female".

You need chromosomes, gonads and genital shape aligned to be regarded as a "full man" or "full woman" (i.e. dyadic), but endocrine gearing function that is "reverse" from the expected is also regarded as an intersex condition.
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