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Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:18 pm**

Its a Texas Thing wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:You clearly don't understand fascism.

It's more like fascism doesn't understand us.

High five man,

Freedom trumps authoritarianism all day everyday. Unite all people with liberty and voluntary coexistence!!!!! Gays, straights, blacks, hispanics, whites, women, men, everyone!!!!

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:19 pm**

Kelinfort wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.

And that's where psychology steps in to help the individual.

Someone who claims to have taken Psy should understand this.

>it is normal to be born with a birth defect billy dont worry

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:20 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:People have authority over their own bodies.

I agree it shouldn't be done by others. Which is why intersex conditions shouldn't be pathologized, people mutilate at least 10% of intersex infants' genitals because of said bullshit.

The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.

That's silly, since it isn't humiliating/embarrassing.

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:...ok...even though it isn't. Dating/relationships aren't JUST about someone's body...and some people aren't attracted to vaginas/penises.

How was that a refutation to what I said?

The genitals of a trans person even aren't central to many forms of sex. Hell, lots of them are dysphoric.

It's a refutation because someone not dating a trans person isn't necessarily cissexist.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:21 pm**

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:And that's where psychology steps in to help the individual.

Someone who claims to have taken Psy should understand this.

>it is normal to be born with a birth defect billy dont worry

It's normal to have a psychological condition of some sorts, yes. Birth defects are not.

What are you going on about?

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:21 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.

They often lose sensibility and/or fertility as a consequence?

Furthermore, intersex people are incredible! I would find it really cool if I found out I'm not XY, or at least not fully so. I mean, there was a man in China who discovered he has a womb! How awesome is that?

There's no point in thinking you're a freak or anything of the sort if society didn't put so much centrality in gender roles. Intersexuality in a general term generally doesn't cause problems to your function. Everybody has a mental condition, or a small amount of disability (I'm myopic and astigmatic, what is amazingly common), or something that would rate them according to an arbitrary system.

None of that is relevant to who we actually are. Eugenics and other forms of positivist understanding of our corporeality lies about humans, and lies about nature.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:22 pm**

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:after months of watching this thread go on

sweden the thread js

What did you get against Nordics?

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:24 pm**

Othelos wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:How was that a refutation to what I said?

The genitals of a trans person even aren't central to many forms of sex. Hell, lots of them are dysphoric.

It's a refutation because someone not dating a trans person isn't necessarily cissexist.

Reading trans people as something fundamentally different from cis people to a point you shouldn't touch them or interact with them on a deeper level IS about being socially immersed in a society that is problematic in their conceptualization of trans people. It might not be transphobic, but it is cissexist.

A few pages ago New World Oceania gave a source that talked about a society that doesn't see difference between male and female genitals.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:25 pm**

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:
Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:I've thought about it some more. It is probably not binary. Trinary, maybe.

Though how there could be more than 2 baffles me. It doesn't exist anywhere else in nature as far as I know.

Actually, it does. Gender fluidity based on circumstance is the norm for most of nature. A binary system is the outlier.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:26 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:after months of watching this thread go on

sweden the thread js

What did you get against Nordics?

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3582

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:26 pm**

Megali Helles wrote:Actually, it does. Gender fluidity based on circumstance is the norm for most of nature. A binary system is the outlier.

What to say about this person that I don't know yet but already like a lot?

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:28 pm**

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:What did you get against Nordics?

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3582

The amount of BS and scientific illiteracy in this source, I just can't.

Nothing too absurd, though.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:28 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:It's a refutation because someone not dating a trans person isn't necessarily cissexist.

Reading trans people as something fundamentally different from cis people to a point you shouldn't touch them or interact with them on a deeper level IS about being socially immersed in a society that is problematic in their conceptualization of trans people. It might not be transphobic, but it is cissexist.

A few pages ago New World Oceania gave a source that talked about a society that doesn't see difference between male and female genitals.

That's totally different from what we were talking about.

We were talking about dating, not coming into contact with a trans person.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:29 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.

They often lose sensibility and/or fertility as a consequence?

Furthermore, intersex people are incredible! I would find it really cool if I found out I'm not XY, or at least not fully so. I mean, there was a man in China who discovered he has a womb! How awesome is that?

There's no point in thinking you're a freak or anything of the sort if society didn't put so much centrality in gender roles. Intersexuality in a general term generally doesn't cause problems to your function. Everybody has a mental condition, or a small amount of disability (I'm myopic and astigmatic, what is amazingly common), or something that would rate them according to an arbitrary system.

None of that is relevant to who we actually are. Eugenics and other forms of positivist understanding of our corporeality lies about humans, and lies about nature.

Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:29 pm**

Othelos wrote:That's totally different from what we were talking about.

We were talking about dating, not coming into contact with a trans person.

The importance people give to dating and gender roles when it comes to our functioning in them is also contaminated by the society we are immersed.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:30 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?

In my humble opinion, no offense, the most abnormal here is you.

Fascism is the worst degeneration of capitalism.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:31 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Everybody belongs in the world. If you have a problem with someone, jsmust stay away from them.

You clearly don't understand fascism.

I do. And youre, quite literally, wrong.

Fascism elevates the entire nation as a singular organism personified by the State. All race, sex, gender, amd religious differences, necessarily, become subordinate. Thus the transgendered and homosexual is a REQUIRED part of the whole. Their particular variation from the cultural norm is moot and ireelevant to fascist ideology. They are part of the organism. The organism that both sustains them and is sustained by them.

To alienate a part of the organism based on personal preference is to foolishly insist the pancreas is more important than the kidney.

Fascism is syncretic and inclusive. Exclusivity is a perversion of fascism.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:31 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:They often lose sensibility and/or fertility as a consequence?

Furthermore, intersex people are incredible! I would find it really cool if I found out I'm not XY, or at least not fully so. I mean, there was a man in China who discovered he has a womb! How awesome is that?

There's no point in thinking you're a freak or anything of the sort if society didn't put so much centrality in gender roles. Intersexuality in a general term generally doesn't cause problems to your function. Everybody has a mental condition, or a small amount of disability (I'm myopic and astigmatic, what is amazingly common), or something that would rate them according to an arbitrary system.

None of that is relevant to who we actually are. Eugenics and other forms of positivist understanding of our corporeality lies about humans, and lies about nature.

Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?

I would.

Its my fucking kid after all.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3582

The amount of BS and scientific illiteracy in this source, I just can't.

Nothing too absurd, though.

>literally i cant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC52toizz8U

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm**

Conglomerate of Iron wrote:
Its a Texas Thing wrote:It's more like fascism doesn't understand us.

High five man,

Freedom trumps authoritarianism all day everyday. Unite all people with liberty and voluntary coexistence!!!!! Gays, straights, blacks, hispanics, whites, women, men, everyone!!!!

Yeah, whatever. As long as I get to keep my acid blotters, automatic weapons and pet tyrannosaurus.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's totally different from what we were talking about.

We were talking about dating, not coming into contact with a trans person.

The importance people give to dating and gender roles when it comes to our functioning in them is also contaminated by the society we are immersed.

And? We were talking about dating, not how trans people are treated/thought of in general.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Megali Helles wrote:Actually, it does. Gender fluidity based on circumstance is the norm for most of nature. A binary system is the outlier.

What to say about this person that I don't know yet but already like a lot?

You do know me, tis I, Distruzio. This is a puppet serving a particular purpose.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm**

The balkens wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?

I would.

Its my fucking kid after all.

Same.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:33 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:They often lose sensibility and/or fertility as a consequence?

Furthermore, intersex people are incredible! I would find it really cool if I found out I'm not XY, or at least not fully so. I mean, there was a man in China who discovered he has a womb! How awesome is that?

There's no point in thinking you're a freak or anything of the sort if society didn't put so much centrality in gender roles. Intersexuality in a general term generally doesn't cause problems to your function. Everybody has a mental condition, or a small amount of disability (I'm myopic and astigmatic, what is amazingly common), or something that would rate them according to an arbitrary system.

None of that is relevant to who we actually are. Eugenics and other forms of positivist understanding of our corporeality lies about humans, and lies about nature.

Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?

It's just a kid. I don't get why you're so worked up about it.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:33 pm**

Megali Helles wrote:I do. And youre, quite literally, wrong.

Fascism elevates the entire nation as a singular organism personified by the State. All race, sex, gender, amd religious differences, necessarily, become subordinate. Thus the transgendered and homosexual is a REQUIRED part of the whole. Their particular variation from the cultural norm is moot and ireelevant to fascist ideology. They are part of the organism. The organism that both sustains them and is sustained by them.

To alienate a part of the organism based on personal preference is to foolishly insist the pancreas is more important than the kidney.

Fascism is syncretic and inclusive. Exclusivity is a perversion of fascism.

*Transgender

It's a qualifier, not a characteristic acquired in a given event

No idea of what to make about anti-transphobic fascism, though?

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:33 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:That's totally different from what we were talking about.

We were talking about dating, not coming into contact with a trans person.

The importance people give to dating and gender roles when it comes to our functioning in them is also contaminated by the society we are immersed.

What is wrong with you?

It has nothing to so with society. It's what we prefer.

I prefer blonde white women, I prefer to open doors for women, I prefer to be gentle with women, I prefer to treat my woman better than anyone else.

Man, you're really trying to make a whole lot of stuff out of nothing.

Stop trying to define the fucking universe and live in it fir once

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