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Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:06 pm**

Othelos wrote:Oh.

Well I can see why someone wouldn't want to date a pre-op transexual, and I wouldn't consider that a fetish. Also, post-ops can't have kids, so that's another (legitimate) reason not to date someone, for some people.

Yeah, maybe, but fuck these people, their reasons aren't a priority to me.

I'm still going to have an understanding of it as cissexist.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:07 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:I took it two semesters ago. This has nothing to do with the discussion. You are born a certain way and that is what you are, either a man, or a woman.

That statement is so, so fallacious.

Your psyche is not complete and fully developed when you are born, and you can alter your body physiologically in various ways.

It develops however it develops. Interfering in the process creates the problems we have today.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:07 pm**

Kelinfort wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:I took it two semesters ago. This has nothing to do with the discussion. You are born a certain way and that is what you are, either a man, or a woman.

You've never heard of XXY or XO or XXXXY have you?

Not only are there legitimate physical effects, gender disphoria is a very real psychological condition.

Pyschologist in training

gender dysphoria is real as my left foot, but otherkin is just new age bs

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:08 pm**

Why can't everyone just get along? Love each other as human beings? Date who you wanna date, f*** who ya wanna f***?

Love, peace, anarchy, liberty man.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:08 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:Oh.

Well I can see why someone wouldn't want to date a pre-op transexual, and I wouldn't consider that a fetish. Also, post-ops can't have kids, so that's another (legitimate) reason not to date someone, for some people.

Yeah, maybe, but fuck these people, their reasons aren't a priority to me.
As far as I'm concerned they're still what they we're born to be. It disgusts me in so many ways to think these kinds of things are legal.
I'm still going to have an understanding of it as cissexist.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:08 pm**

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:You've never heard of XXY or XO or XXXXY have you?

Not only are there legitimate physical effects, gender disphoria is a very real psychological condition.

Pyschologist in training

gender dysphoria is real as my left foot, but otherkin is just new age bs

...I never said otherkin existed. The difference is, one is changeable and makes legitimate sense, the other is unchangeable and has no psychological basis.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:09 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Othelos wrote:Again, psych/bio 101. Intersex people exist.

I've already taken biology. The intersex phenomenon is not a law, it is a mutation based on flawed genes.

No, all human genotypes are prone to intersex conditions (enough ambiguity of sexual corporeality for pathologization), given how everybody is a little ambiguous due to the same reasons some people develop ambiguous genitals and gonads, or will experience a heterosexual puberty (i.e. a boy developing "as a girl" and vice-versa), or will have a neurological wiring regarded as more typical of the "opposite sex".

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:09 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:That statement is so, so fallacious.

Your psyche is not complete and fully developed when you are born, and you can alter your body physiologically in various ways.

It develops however it develops. Interfering in the process creates the problems we have today.

And those would be?

Interference isn't the cause of homosexuality or gender dysphoria.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:10 pm**

Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Why can't everyone just get along? Love each other as human beings? Date who you wanna date, f*** who ya wanna f***?

Love, peace, anarchy, liberty man.

Because those who are different from me and mine don't belong in the world we want.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:10 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Why can't everyone just get along? Love each other as human beings? Date who you wanna date, f*** who ya wanna f***?

Love, peace, anarchy, liberty man.

Because those who are different from me and mine don't belong in the world we want.

Everybody belongs in the world. If you have a problem with someone, jsmust stay away from them.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:10 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Why can't everyone just get along? Love each other as human beings? Date who you wanna date, f*** who ya wanna f***?

Love, peace, anarchy, liberty man.

Because those who are different from me and mine don't belong in the world we want.

If we went by that notion, I would have annihilated you long ago.

Please grow up and understand not everyone's you.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:11 pm**

Kelinfort wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:Because those who are different from me and mine don't belong in the world we want.

If we went by that notion, I would have annihilated you long ago.

Please grow up and understand not everyone's you.

Damn right.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:12 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:I've already taken biology. The intersex phenomenon is not a law, it is a mutation based on flawed genes.

No, all human genotypes are prone to intersex conditions (enough ambiguity of sexual corporeality for pathologization), given how everybody is a little ambiguous due to the same reasons some people develop ambiguous genitals and gonads, or will experience a heterosexual puberty (i.e. a boy developing "as a girl" and vice-versa), or will have a neurological wiring regarded as more typical of the "opposite sex".

Yes, they prone to genetic flaws.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:12 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:That statement is so, so fallacious.

Your psyche is not complete and fully developed when you are born, and you can alter your body physiologically in various ways.

It develops however it develops. Interfering in the process creates the problems we have today.

People have authority over their own bodies.

I agree it shouldn't be done by others. Which is why intersex conditions shouldn't be pathologized, people mutilate at least 10% of intersex infants' genitals because of said bullshit.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:12 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:Oh.

Well I can see why someone wouldn't want to date a pre-op transexual, and I wouldn't consider that a fetish. Also, post-ops can't have kids, so that's another (legitimate) reason not to date someone, for some people.

Yeah, maybe, but fuck these people, their reasons aren't a priority to me.

I'm still going to have an understanding of it as cissexist.

...ok...even though it isn't. Dating/relationships aren't JUST about someone's body...and some people aren't attracted to vaginas/penises.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:13 pm**

Conglomerate of Iron wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:Because those who are different from me and mine don't belong in the world we want.

Everybody belongs in the world. If you have a problem with someone, jsmust stay away from them.

You clearly don't understand fascism.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:13 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Why can't everyone just get along? Love each other as human beings? Date who you wanna date, f*** who ya wanna f***?

Love, peace, anarchy, liberty man.

Because those who are different from me and mine don't belong in the world we want.

Part of growing up is realizing that not everything is about you.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:14 pm**

Othelos wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Yeah, maybe, but fuck these people, their reasons aren't a priority to me.

I'm still going to have an understanding of it as cissexist.

...ok...even though it isn't. Dating/relationships aren't JUST about someone's body...and some people aren't attracted to vaginas/penises.

They aren't even partially about the body frankly. It's a communicative endeavor. The body part just gets you over the first hurdle.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:14 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Everybody belongs in the world. If you have a problem with someone, jsmust stay away from them.

You clearly don't understand fascism.

You don't understand anarchism.

My anarchist marauders own your little fascist military any day of the week.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:14 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Everybody belongs in the world. If you have a problem with someone, jsmust stay away from them.

You clearly don't understand fascism.

Sorry, we don't support your ideology. Deal with it.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:15 pm**

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:It develops however it develops. Interfering in the process creates the problems we have today.

People have authority over their own bodies.

I agree it shouldn't be done by others. Which is why intersex conditions shouldn't be pathologized, people mutilate at least 10% of intersex infants' genitals because of said bullshit.

The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:16 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Conglomerate of Iron wrote:Everybody belongs in the world. If you have a problem with someone, jsmust stay away from them.

You clearly don't understand fascism.

It's more like fascism doesn't understand us.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:16 pm**

Othelos wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Yeah, maybe, but fuck these people, their reasons aren't a priority to me.

I'm still going to have an understanding of it as cissexist.

...ok...even though it isn't. Dating/relationships aren't JUST about someone's body...and some people aren't attracted to vaginas/penises.

How was that a refutation to what I said?

The genitals of a trans person even aren't central to many forms of sex. Hell, lots of them are dysphoric.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:17 pm**

Iron Guard wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:People have authority over their own bodies.

I agree it shouldn't be done by others. Which is why intersex conditions shouldn't be pathologized, people mutilate at least 10% of intersex infants' genitals because of said bullshit.

The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.

And that's where psychology steps in to help the individual.

Someone who claims to have taken Psy should understand this.

Posted: **Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:18 pm**

after months of watching this thread go on

sweden the thread js

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