LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I already brought up the impact of sex on behavior in animals which are without culture.

Animals lack culture, but humans lack instinct and response to pheromones to the most part.

[Des-Bal]

Animals lack culture, but humans lack instinct and response to pheromones to the most part.

So that's not true or relevant.

[The New World Oceania]

I asked for your evidence when you made another claim that mine was "unsubstantial" to refute any argument you're making. The issue is that you haven't made any argument at all. I'm asking you to directly quote each instance of your providing evidence throughout this discussion.

I have devoted a good portion of my life to the study of critical theory and cultural studies and decline to see how the Gerai people's view of male and female genitalia as conceptually identical indicates their ethical values. Could you elaborate?

I already brought up the impact of sex on behavior in animals which are without culture. Your evidence is not evidence of the thing you're saying.

Elaborate what exactly?

And sexuality in animals which are both absent gender systems and absent society does little to help your case. They have biological sexes, but they have no established genders. Pairing their lack of gender and their lack of socialized culture is supplementary affirmation that gender is exclusively social.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

So that's not true or relevant.

It is. They might read endocrine function, while humans can only read superficial aspects or gender.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

And sexuality in animals which are both absent gender systems and absent society does little to help your case. They have biological sexes, but they have no established genders. Pairing their lack of gender and their lack of socialized culture is supplementary affirmation that gender is exclusively social.

This. No idea how would animals be an argument on this.

[Des-Bal]

And sexuality in animals which are both absent gender systems and absent society does little to help your case. They have biological sexes, but they have no established genders. Pairing their lack of gender and their lack of socialized culture is supplementary affirmation that gender is exclusively social.

Which again supposes gender is social which you might note is your entire fucking argument. When your evidence is evidence only when the thing you're substantiating is already accepted as true it is not evidence.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Which again supposes gender is social which you might note is your entire fucking argument. When your evidence is evidence only when the thing you're substantiating is already accepted as true it is not evidence.

...because Oceania is arguing for the accepted definition of the vocable "gender".

[Des-Bal]

...because Oceania is arguing for the accepted definition of the vocable "gender".

It doesn't matter what you're arguing. You CANNOT have evidence for a conclusion that derives it's meaning from the assumption the conclusion is true.

[Its a Texas Thing]

I am for the equal rights and liberties of members of gender and sexual minorities and intersex people. I don't see why it should be any different and find it inane that people make excuses for treating people of certain attribute in general as a subhuman.

[The New World Oceania]

And sexuality in animals which are both absent gender systems and absent society does little to help your case. They have biological sexes, but they have no established genders. Pairing their lack of gender and their lack of socialized culture is supplementary affirmation that gender is exclusively social.

Which again supposes gender is social which you might note is your entire fucking argument. When your evidence is evidence only when the thing you're substantiating is already accepted as true it is not evidence.

You're continually claiming that it's not evidence because it "assumes the claim is already true," but that whole argument over the viability of evidednce is predicated on the idea that the argument is already true.

(and it still doesn't present any evidence!)

[Des-Bal]

You're continually claiming that it's not evidence because it "assumes the claim is already true," but that whole argument over the viability of evidednce is predicated on the idea that the argument is already true.

(and it still doesn't present any evidence!)

No it's really not.

[Othelos]

Red hair is incorrectly formed?

When taken from the perspective of humanity as a whole? Yes. (We also have no souls.)

When taken from the perspective of humanity from NW Europe? No.

No.......red hair is not malformed in any context.

malformed - (of a person or part of the body) abnormally formed; misshapen.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I already brought up the impact of sex on behavior in animals which are without culture.

Animals lack culture, but humans lack instinct and response to pheromones to the most part.

someone's never been laid

[The Steel Magnolia]

but on topic gender pretty obviously exists. it's a social concept yeah, but so what. just because something isn't material doesn't mean it doesn't exist. it's pedantry in pursuit of a political goal that will not be achieved with said pedantry.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Animals lack culture, but humans lack instinct and response to pheromones to the most part.

someone's never been laid

someone discovered gunpowder!

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

But anyway, we have no vomeronasal gland. We don't get in heat. Sexual orientation in humans can be fooled by looks, or bypassed through a comprehensive understanding of gender identity.

Really different.

[Spoder]

You're continually claiming that it's not evidence because it "assumes the claim is already true," but that whole argument over the viability of evidednce is predicated on the idea that the argument is already true.

(and it still doesn't present any evidence!)

No it's really not.

You're really silly.

Gender and sex are not the same thing.

[The New World Oceania]

but on topic gender pretty obviously exists. it's a social concept yeah, but so what. just because something isn't material doesn't mean it doesn't exist. it's pedantry in pursuit of a political goal that will not be achieved with said pedantry.

You can say it "exists," but that's innacurate if we're accepting its nature as a construct. Epistemologically, it is objective by the nature of consensus; despite this, it is ontologically subjective. Referring to it as a political goal in order to discredit its truth is pedantry itself.

[Its a Texas Thing]

Homosexuality inhibits the new man from developing, it is therefore counter revolutionary and thus harmful.

Not only this, but it is completely unnatural!

I hope one day scientists discover the virus that causes the chemical imbalance that leads to homosexuality. I believe Nazi Germany had a cure, the homosexuals were given medicine and therapy and soon were restored to heterosexuals.

My point is, we shouldn't encourage them because this may well be a virus, or some kind of defect that can be repaired.

Look here, I'm not that familiar with fascist political theories but it's been proven to not be a disorder by APA among other medical and scientific authorities. So I think I'm calling Kuhscheiße on this one.

[Spoder]

Homosexuality inhibits the new man from developing, it is therefore counter revolutionary and thus harmful.

Not only this, but it is completely unnatural!

I hope one day scientists discover the virus that causes the chemical imbalance that leads to homosexuality. I believe Nazi Germany had a cure, the homosexuals were given medicine and therapy and soon were restored to heterosexuals.

My point is, we shouldn't encourage them because this may well be a virus, or some kind of defect that can be repaired.

WTF.

How is something that occurs in nature unnatural.

How does it inhibit man from developing.

[Iron Guard]

It is unnatural.

I think it comes from vaccines.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

It is unnatural.

I think it comes from vaccines.

Sockpuppeting is bad, mm'kay?

[Othelos]

But anyway, we have no vomeronasal gland. We don't get in heat. Sexual orientation in humans can be fooled by looks, or bypassed through a comprehensive understanding of gender identity.

Really different.

Sexual orientation can't necessarily be bypassed with that

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Sexual orientation can't necessarily be bypassed with that

Maybe, but I don't legitimize monosexual cissexism through cotton-ceiling as something that would exist in an ideal world.

[Othelos]

Sexual orientation can't necessarily be bypassed with that

Maybe, but I don't legitimize monosexual cissexism through cotton-ceiling as something that would exist in an ideal world.

what