LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[The Black Forrest]

Ok people. Let's not derail the new thread with he Nazi debates. It was starting to get interesting again. Kleinfort. Do explain how raising the question of nature is a logical fallacy.

[Dragoria]

You, can't advocate genocide, and then play the victim. Doesn't work that way.

I understand that those of you who do not have love for your families would not get angry at such a statement, but there are those who still value family members and hearing something like that resurrects a previously existing extremely bad anger problem.

But hearing someone say they think everyone's LGBT family members/friends should be killed off is something everyone should just be a-okay with?

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

I understand that those of you who do not have love for your families would not get angry at such a statement, but there are those who still value family members and hearing something like that resurrects a previously existing extremely bad anger problem.

But hearing someone say they think everyone's LGBT family members/friends should be killed off is something everyone should just be a-okay with?

I would love for you to point out whenever I said any of that.

[Neutraligon]

Did you see my response about how the gene/genes that assist in causing homosexuality may be on the x chromosome, and may affect females as well as males. Specifically it affects how likely a person will be attracted to men. Doesn't explain lesbians but there is that. In addition, women who have gay siblings tend to have more children then those who do not.
http://news.sciencemag.org/math/2008/06 ... good-women

Interesting, though male bisexuality would seem to be somewhat inconsistent with this model unless I missed something.

The problem is most studies focus on male homosexuality. As far as I know there are very few studies on lesbians, let alone on bisexuals. Although the advantage for bisexuals is that they can be either child-bearing or non-childbearing.

[Llamalandia]

I understand that those of you who do not have love for your families would not get angry at such a statement, but there are those who still value family members and hearing something like that resurrects a previously existing extremely bad anger problem.

But hearing someone say they think everyone's LGBT family members/friends should be killed off is something everyone should just be a-okay with?

Gotta, say I side with OFR on this one unless you can actually point out where he said that, I might have missed it.

[Dragoria]

It seems to me the bakers reaction appears to be a good indication of the moral charictor of the religion in question. Despicable being the moral charictor in question. The same applies to monotheism in general and faith in general. As to practitioners it tends to move them in that direction but it is escapable. In any case why is religion (of all things) given a pass on discrimination.

It isn't really the book's fault that people use it as an excuse to try to justify their own hatred and bigotry. Book's just an inanimate object, people are the ones actively deciding to treat other people crappily for something that doesn't affect them at all.

[Neutraligon]

But hearing someone say they think everyone's LGBT family members/friends should be killed off is something everyone should just be a-okay with?

Gotta, say I side with OFR on this one unless you can actually point out where he said that, I might have missed it.

Please don't. It will continue the threadjack.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

You, can't advocate genocide, and then play the victim. Doesn't work that way.

I understand that those of you who do not have love for your families would not get angry at such a statement, but there are those who still value family members and hearing something like that resurrects a previously existing extremely bad anger problem.

I'm sorry, Hypothetically I would think my grandfather being a Nazi, if he had been one, who are pretty much the worst human beings in modern history, would preclude me from taking offense at any slander in his direction"

[Llamalandia]

Interesting, though male bisexuality would seem to be somewhat inconsistent with this model unless I missed something.

The problem is most studies focus on male homosexuality. As far as I know there are very few studies on lesbians, let alone on bisexuals. Although the advantage for bisexuals is that they can be either child-bearing or non-childbearing.

No but my point is that the gene wouldn't make sense, I mean men only have one X chromosome, while women have two and therefor while it logical follows that female heterozygotes could be bisexual, male bisexuals shouldn't exist.

[Osterreichischen Faschistischen Republik]

I understand that those of you who do not have love for your families would not get angry at such a statement, but there are those who still value family members and hearing something like that resurrects a previously existing extremely bad anger problem.

I'm sorry, Hypothetically I would think my grandfather being a Nazi, if he had been one, who are pretty much the worst human beings in modern history, would preclude me from taking offense at any slander in his direction"

Well it's great that you're able to assume the entirety of humanity would react the same way.

[Neutraligon]

ENOUGH!!! OFRs grandfather being a Nazi has nothing to do with this thread. Just drop it, seriously.

[Dragoria]

But hearing someone say they think everyone's LGBT family members/friends should be killed off is something everyone should just be a-okay with?

Gotta, say I side with OFR on this one unless you can actually point out where he said that, I might have missed it.

His repeated statements of "My idea for a cure for homosexuality would get me banned" make me strongly suspect that he was implying killing them.

Other sexualities don't need to be cured, of course.

[Llamalandia]

I understand that those of you who do not have love for your families would not get angry at such a statement, but there are those who still value family members and hearing something like that resurrects a previously existing extremely bad anger problem.

I'm sorry, Hypothetically I would think my grandfather being a Nazi, if he had been one, who are pretty much the worst human beings in modern history, would preclude me from taking offense at any slander in his direction"

Not every member of the nazi party bought into to the ideology some people did it because they were basically forced to in order to continue working in Germany.

[Llamalandia]

Gotta, say I side with OFR on this one unless you can actually point out where he said that, I might have missed it.

His repeated statements of "My idea for a cure for homosexuality would get me banned" make me strongly suspect that he was implying killing them.

Other sexualities don't need to be cured, of course.

Ah thanks for clarifying your position. Still I subscribe to innocent until proven guilty myself.

[Kelinfort]

Look, OFR, your grandfather being a Nazi isn't a problem to me. My problem is you have no reason to justify the murder of homosexuals besides the fact it is disgusting to you, which you have no evidence for. Perception shouldn't set policy and certainly not with human beings.

[Dragoria]

The problem is most studies focus on male homosexuality. As far as I know there are very few studies on lesbians, let alone on bisexuals. Although the advantage for bisexuals is that they can be either child-bearing or non-childbearing.

No but my point is that the gene wouldn't make sense, I mean men only have one X chromosome, while women have two and therefor while it logical follows that female heterozygotes could be bisexual, male bisexuals shouldn't exist.

Or the male Y carries the "into chicks" gene which is supposed to block the X's "yay dudes" gene but goes screwy in some cases... Which would make lesbian/bisexual women not fit the model?
It's a complex system, genetics.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

ENOUGH!!! OFRs grandfather being a Nazi has nothing to do with this thread. Just drop it, seriously.

I share this sentiment. Guys please knock it the hell off.

[Neutraligon]

The problem is most studies focus on male homosexuality. As far as I know there are very few studies on lesbians, let alone on bisexuals. Although the advantage for bisexuals is that they can be either child-bearing or non-childbearing.

No but my point is that the gene wouldn't make sense, I mean men only have one X chromosome, while women have two and therefor while it logical follows that female heterozygotes could be bisexual, male bisexuals shouldn't exist.

Since I know of no studies on bisexuals, I can't answer that. Which was my point. And male bisexuality, unlike homosexuality, does not lessen the chance of survival. It seems more like a nuetral trait, since they can and do have children. Neutral traits aren't selected against, so it would not disappear. For all we know a separate gene/genes affect how attracted to women a person is, thus both are possible. But there are no studies so I can't back up that idea.

[Farnhamia]

ENOUGH!!! OFRs grandfather being a Nazi has nothing to do with this thread. Just drop it, seriously.

Seriously, drop it. I was hesitant about restarting this, despite it's being my idea. OFR's grandfather is not the topic unless he was or is gay and is suffering abridgment of his rights.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

But hearing someone say they think everyone's LGBT family members/friends should be killed off is something everyone should just be a-okay with?

I would love for you to point out whenever I said any of that.

Sorry right, they should just be castrated and subject to torture....

[Kelinfort]

Ok people. Let's not derail the new thread with he Nazi debates. It was starting to get interesting again. Kleinfort. Do explain how raising the question of nature is a logical fallacy.

No, saying something is wrong because it is unnatural is a logical fallacy.

[Neutraligon]

ENOUGH!!! OFRs grandfather being a Nazi has nothing to do with this thread. Just drop it, seriously.

Seriously, drop it. I was hesitant about restarting this, despite it's being my idea. OFR's grandfather is not the topic unless he was or is gay and is suffering abridgment of his rights.

Umm, is this in support of me???

[Grenartia]

But hearing someone say they think everyone's LGBT family members/friends should be killed off is something everyone should just be a-okay with?

I would love for you to point out whenever I said any of that.

Still. How is telling us that we should be separated from our families because we have "cognitive disabilities" any different than saying your grandfather is an idiot?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'm sorry, Hypothetically I would think my grandfather being a Nazi, if he had been one, who are pretty much the worst human beings in modern history, would preclude me from taking offense at any slander in his direction"

Well it's great that you're able to assume the entirety of humanity would react the same way.

Not that they would, that they should. Nazi's don't deserve defense, or sympathy.

[The Black Forrest]

Meh, i just always assumed he was an NSA agent anyway.

Did you see my response about how the gene/genes that assist in causing homosexuality may be on the x chromosome, and may affect females as well as males. Specifically it affects how likely a person will be attracted to men. Doesn't explain lesbians but there is that. In addition, women who have gay siblings tend to have more children then those who do not.
http://news.sciencemag.org/math/2008/06 ... good-women

Interesting. The claims make me go I will have to look up the study itself......