LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Nature-Spirits]

http://montrealgazette.com/life/transgender-rights-bathroom-protest-movement-is-born

What an excellent and imaginative form of protest.

Indeed. If I were out and I could pass as female, I would use the male washrooms in protest too; as it is, though, I'm in the closet (trans-wise, anyway; I don't care too much who knows about my being gay) and don't look very feminine. I might consider just using the woman's washroom next time I'm out somewhere, though.

[Amerieka]

What an excellent and imaginative form of protest.

Indeed. If I were out and I could pass as female, I would use the male washrooms in protest too; as it is, though, I'm in the closet (trans-wise, anyway; I don't care too much who knows about my being gay) and don't look very feminine. I might consider just using the woman's washroom next time I'm out somewhere, though.

i proposed a degenderizing act in the GA some time ago and it was shot down. it included gender-neutral bathrooms. i was ridiculed.

[Nature-Spirits]

http://montrealgazette.com/life/transgender-rights-bathroom-protest-movement-is-born

Brilliant! But I'm angered by the Conservatives destroying a civil rights bill with that bathroom nonsense amendment.
Did I read the article right?

I think so, yes. In Canada, bills must first pass the House of Commons (elected) before moving onto the Senate (appointed), and here, the bill passed the Commons, but it looks as though a few Tory senators have tried to stop it by adding this amendment, thus pushing the bill back to the Commons. With the upcoming election, if the bill still hasn't passed before the new government is installed, it might just die.

[Nature-Spirits]

Indeed. If I were out and I could pass as female, I would use the male washrooms in protest too; as it is, though, I'm in the closet (trans-wise, anyway; I don't care too much who knows about my being gay) and don't look very feminine. I might consider just using the woman's washroom next time I'm out somewhere, though.

i proposed a degenderizing act in the GA some time ago and it was shot down. it included gender-neutral bathrooms. i was ridiculed.

Interesting. Maybe you should get someone to review your draft for you and repost it.

[Nature-Spirits]

What an excellent and imaginative form of protest.

Indeed. If I were out and I could pass as female, I would use the male washrooms in protest too; as it is, though, I'm in the closet (trans-wise, anyway; I don't care too much who knows about my being gay) and don't look very feminine. I might consider just using the woman's washroom next time I'm out somewhere, though.

Of course, the problem with me -- seemingly a male -- using the women's bathroom is that this might reinforce people's ideas about trans people being sexual predators or some such thing.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Brilliant! But I'm angered by the Conservatives destroying a civil rights bill with that bathroom nonsense amendment.
Did I read the article right?

I think so, yes. In Canada, bills must first pass the House of Commons (elected) before moving onto the Senate (appointed), and here, the bill passed the Commons, but it looks as though a few Tory senators have tried to stop it by adding this amendment, thus pushing the bill back to the Commons. With the upcoming election, if the bill still hasn't passed before the new government is installed, it might just die.

Is it possible for the amendment to be removed? Or will that clog things up even more?...
Slimy bastards.

[Nazi Flower Power]

http://montrealgazette.com/life/transgender-rights-bathroom-protest-movement-is-born

Good protest.

[Nature-Spirits]

I think so, yes. In Canada, bills must first pass the House of Commons (elected) before moving onto the Senate (appointed), and here, the bill passed the Commons, but it looks as though a few Tory senators have tried to stop it by adding this amendment, thus pushing the bill back to the Commons. With the upcoming election, if the bill still hasn't passed before the new government is installed, it might just die.

Is it possible for the amendment to be removed? Or will that clog things up even more?...
Slimy bastards.

I don't think that would work. AFAIK, the amendment would have to have been approved by a majority of the Senate, and while I suppose it might be possible for the Commons to remove it, I think it would take a long time, and when it goes back up to the Senate they might be able to just put the amendment back. I admit I'm not particularly well-versed in how governmental decisions are made beyond the basics, so I'm not completely sure.

[Roski]

Is it possible for the amendment to be removed? Or will that clog things up even more?...
Slimy bastards.

I don't think that would work. AFAIK, the amendment would have to have been approved by a majority of the Senate, and while I suppose it might be possible for the Commons to remove it, I think it would take a long time, and when it goes back up to the Senate they might be able to just put the amendment back. I admit I'm not particularly well-versed in how governmental decisions are made beyond the basics, so I'm not completely sure.

We should have our congress the way the spartans did.


suggest something drunk, and debate it drunk, and if its still a good idea while its sober than it can be passed

[Amerieka]

If I re-drafted my new thread as such, would it be legal even if you disagreed with it:

This thread is designed for the discussion of:

It is an increasing trend that people who oppose views of LGBT views are labelled as bigots, intolerant, old fashioned, religious zealots for simply holding on to their views. This thread welcomes discussion and updates on the anti-lgbt community, and how the heterosexual agenda can progress with greater acceptance.

This thread recognizes that the other thread, the "LGBT Rights and Issues Thread" is more suited for the debate surrounding LGBT issues. It normally highlights matters pertaining to LGBT issues and how the community can progress. On occasion it does feature debates about the rightness and wrongness of the LGBT lifestyle.

This thread is not an attempt to debate LGBT issues per se, rather it is a space to discuss issues that may be frowned upon by most members of the other thread. For example, there may be folks who have homosexual tendencies but does not wish to be so. One can argue till kingdom come about the rightness/wrongness about it, but here in this thread they are allowed to freely and without judgment from both sides, share his/her journey to "change" (used in the context of the person), and seek assistance if he/she desires it.

Preferences:
1. While members of the LGBT community are welcome to read and post here, my humble request would be to not be so quick to flame or troll people who post content that you disagree with by default. Lend a listening ear to the end, and consider the views of others with due diligence.

2. I also request that members of the Anti-LGBT community be respectful toward the LGBT community, for they too are people. Their dignity and their right to respect exists, even if we disagree with their lifestyle.

3. People's stories must not be made fun of, mocked, or made light.

4. Claims must be referenced

5. I recognize that there are many members in this game whose English is not their first language, or not perfect. This is fine, as long as the gist of the message is comprehensible, you shall not be made fun of.

[Roski]

If I re-drafted my new thread as such, would it be legal even if you disagreed with it:

This thread is designed for the discussion of:

It is an increasing trend that people who oppose views of LGBT views are labelled as bigots, intolerant, old fashioned, religious zealots for simply holding on to their views. This thread welcomes discussion and updates on the anti-lgbt community, and how the heterosexual agenda can progress with greater acceptance.

This thread recognizes that the other thread, the "LGBT Rights and Issues Thread" is more suited for the debate surrounding LGBT issues. It normally highlights matters pertaining to LGBT issues and how the community can progress. On occasion it does feature debates about the rightness and wrongness of the LGBT lifestyle.

This thread is not an attempt to debate LGBT issues per se, rather it is a space to discuss issues that may be frowned upon by most members of the other thread. For example, there may be folks who have homosexual tendencies but does not wish to be so. One can argue till kingdom come about the rightness/wrongness about it, but here in this thread they are allowed to freely and without judgment from both sides, share his/her journey to "change" (used in the context of the person), and seek assistance if he/she desires it.

Preferences:
1. While members of the LGBT community are welcome to read and post here, my humble request would be to not be so quick to flame or troll people who post content that you disagree with by default. Lend a listening ear to the end, and consider the views of others with due diligence.

2. I also request that members of the Anti-LGBT community be respectful toward the LGBT community, for they too are people. Their dignity and their right to respect exists, even if we disagree with their lifestyle.

3. People's stories must not be made fun of, mocked, or made light.

4. Claims must be referenced

5. I recognize that there are many members in this game whose English is not their first language, or not perfect. This is fine, as long as the gist of the message is comprehensible, you shall not be made fun of.

Number four takes away your ability to have such a thread im very sorry

[Amerieka]

If I re-drafted my new thread as such, would it be legal even if you disagreed with it:

This thread is designed for the discussion of:

It is an increasing trend that people who oppose views of LGBT views are labelled as bigots, intolerant, old fashioned, religious zealots for simply holding on to their views. This thread welcomes discussion and updates on the anti-lgbt community, and how the heterosexual agenda can progress with greater acceptance.

This thread recognizes that the other thread, the "LGBT Rights and Issues Thread" is more suited for the debate surrounding LGBT issues. It normally highlights matters pertaining to LGBT issues and how the community can progress. On occasion it does feature debates about the rightness and wrongness of the LGBT lifestyle.

This thread is not an attempt to debate LGBT issues per se, rather it is a space to discuss issues that may be frowned upon by most members of the other thread. For example, there may be folks who have homosexual tendencies but does not wish to be so. One can argue till kingdom come about the rightness/wrongness about it, but here in this thread they are allowed to freely and without judgment from both sides, share his/her journey to "change" (used in the context of the person), and seek assistance if he/she desires it.

Preferences:
1. While members of the LGBT community are welcome to read and post here, my humble request would be to not be so quick to flame or troll people who post content that you disagree with by default. Lend a listening ear to the end, and consider the views of others with due diligence.

2. I also request that members of the Anti-LGBT community be respectful toward the LGBT community, for they too are people. Their dignity and their right to respect exists, even if we disagree with their lifestyle.

3. People's stories must not be made fun of, mocked, or made light.

4. Claims must be referenced

5. I recognize that there are many members in this game whose English is not their first language, or not perfect. This is fine, as long as the gist of the message is comprehensible, you shall not be made fun of.

Number four takes away your ability to have such a thread im very sorry

i expected u to troll unproductively.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If I re-drafted my new thread as such, would it be legal even if you disagreed with it:

This thread is designed for the discussion of:

It is an increasing trend that people who oppose views of LGBT views are labelled as bigots, intolerant, old fashioned, religious zealots for simply holding on to their views. This thread welcomes discussion and updates on the anti-lgbt community, and how the heterosexual agenda can progress with greater acceptance.

This thread recognizes that the other thread, the "LGBT Rights and Issues Thread" is more suited for the debate surrounding LGBT issues. It normally highlights matters pertaining to LGBT issues and how the community can progress. On occasion it does feature debates about the rightness and wrongness of the LGBT lifestyle.

This thread is not an attempt to debate LGBT issues per se, rather it is a space to discuss issues that may be frowned upon by most members of the other thread. For example, there may be folks who have homosexual tendencies but does not wish to be so. One can argue till kingdom come about the rightness/wrongness about it, but here in this thread they are allowed to freely and without judgment from both sides, share his/her journey to "change" (used in the context of the person), and seek assistance if he/she desires it.

Preferences:
1. While members of the LGBT community are welcome to read and post here, my humble request would be to not be so quick to flame or troll people who post content that you disagree with by default. Lend a listening ear to the end, and consider the views of others with due diligence.

2. I also request that members of the Anti-LGBT community be respectful toward the LGBT community, for they too are people. Their dignity and their right to respect exists, even if we disagree with their lifestyle.

3. People's stories must not be made fun of, mocked, or made light.

4. Claims must be referenced

5. I recognize that there are many members in this game whose English is not their first language, or not perfect. This is fine, as long as the gist of the message is comprehensible, you shall not be made fun of.

1. You don't actually get to set rules for your threads in General. Some of those points are covered in the rules for the forum already, others won't be enforced.

2. This isn't the place for you to pitch the idea for the thread. You can run it by the moderators in their section, or I suppose you could just post the thread and see if they let you keep it open. I wouldn't advise the latter, though.

[Amerieka]

If I re-drafted my new thread as such, would it be legal even if you disagreed with it:

This thread is designed for the discussion of:

It is an increasing trend that people who oppose views of LGBT views are labelled as bigots, intolerant, old fashioned, religious zealots for simply holding on to their views. This thread welcomes discussion and updates on the anti-lgbt community, and how the heterosexual agenda can progress with greater acceptance.

This thread recognizes that the other thread, the "LGBT Rights and Issues Thread" is more suited for the debate surrounding LGBT issues. It normally highlights matters pertaining to LGBT issues and how the community can progress. On occasion it does feature debates about the rightness and wrongness of the LGBT lifestyle.

This thread is not an attempt to debate LGBT issues per se, rather it is a space to discuss issues that may be frowned upon by most members of the other thread. For example, there may be folks who have homosexual tendencies but does not wish to be so. One can argue till kingdom come about the rightness/wrongness about it, but here in this thread they are allowed to freely and without judgment from both sides, share his/her journey to "change" (used in the context of the person), and seek assistance if he/she desires it.

Preferences:
1. While members of the LGBT community are welcome to read and post here, my humble request would be to not be so quick to flame or troll people who post content that you disagree with by default. Lend a listening ear to the end, and consider the views of others with due diligence.

2. I also request that members of the Anti-LGBT community be respectful toward the LGBT community, for they too are people. Their dignity and their right to respect exists, even if we disagree with their lifestyle.

3. People's stories must not be made fun of, mocked, or made light.

4. Claims must be referenced

5. I recognize that there are many members in this game whose English is not their first language, or not perfect. This is fine, as long as the gist of the message is comprehensible, you shall not be made fun of.

1. You don't actually get to set rules for your threads in General. Some of those points are covered in the rules for the forum already, others won't be enforced.

2. This isn't the place for you to pitch the idea for the thread. You can run it by the moderators in their section, or I suppose you could just post the thread and see if they let you keep it open. I wouldn't advise the latter, though.

It's not rules, it's preferences. Read.

[Nazi Flower Power]

1. You don't actually get to set rules for your threads in General. Some of those points are covered in the rules for the forum already, others won't be enforced.

2. This isn't the place for you to pitch the idea for the thread. You can run it by the moderators in their section, or I suppose you could just post the thread and see if they let you keep it open. I wouldn't advise the latter, though.

It's not rules, it's preferences. Read.

I still don't think it would be a good idea to make that thread. The mods might not appreciate it, and I don't see what purpose it serves that couldn't be served by a conversation within this thread. Gay people who are unhappy about being gay and are trying to change are a topic that could be discussed here without making a separate thread.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

1. You don't actually get to set rules for your threads in General. Some of those points are covered in the rules for the forum already, others won't be enforced.

2. This isn't the place for you to pitch the idea for the thread. You can run it by the moderators in their section, or I suppose you could just post the thread and see if they let you keep it open. I wouldn't advise the latter, though.

It's not rules, it's preferences. Read.

The moment you use the terms "must not" and "must", whatever you may call them, they're rules.

[Amerieka]

I make the argument that this thread is not neutral because:

- It wants to talk about LGBT issues - this does not include heterosexual issues, QI issues, human/non-human relations issues, and more. This is not called neutral.

I recommend that the thread be renamed "Human Sexuality - Rights and Issues"

[Klarash]

Hey.

Do any gay guys here feel like the gay community and culture is starting to turn into a bad thing. I mean gay men sleep around a lot and don't settle down and have a real relationship, I personally don't think this is a healthy lifestyle. I know not all gay guys do this, I'm bi and I would only have sex in a committed healthy relationship.

Also this only applies to gay men, lesbians seem to have much better relationships and are also much less promiscuous than both gay men and straight couples.

Any thoughts?

[Nature-Spirits]

I make the argument that this thread is not neutral because:

- It wants to talk about LGBT issues - this does not include heterosexual issues, QI issues, human/non-human relations issues, and more. This is not called neutral.

I recommend that the thread be renamed "Human Sexuality - Rights and Issues"

Except this thread isn't just about sexuality -- it's about gender diversity too.

Also -- with all due respect -- I don't see how there are any "heterosexual issues".

[Amerieka]

I make the argument that this thread is not neutral because:

- It wants to talk about LGBT issues - this does not include heterosexual issues, QI issues, human/non-human relations issues, and more. This is not called neutral.

I recommend that the thread be renamed "Human Sexuality - Rights and Issues"

Except this thread isn't just about sexuality -- it's about gender diversity too.

Also -- with all due respect -- I don't see how there are any "heterosexual issues".

Human Gender and Sexuality: Rights and Issues

Don't say it's an unreasonable proposal.

[Neutraligon]

Hey.

Do any gay guys here feel like the gay community and culture is starting to turn into a bad thing. I mean gay men sleep around a lot and don't settle down and have a real relationship, I personally don't think this is a healthy lifestyle. I know not all gay guys do this, I'm bi and I would only have sex in a committed healthy relationship.

Also this only applies to gay men, lesbians seem to have much better relationships and are also much less promiscuous than both gay men and straight couples.

Any thoughts?

Homosexual men having multiple partners is not a new phenomena.

[Amerieka]

Hey.

Do any gay guys here feel like the gay community and culture is starting to turn into a bad thing. I mean gay men sleep around a lot and don't settle down and have a real relationship, I personally don't think this is a healthy lifestyle. I know not all gay guys do this, I'm bi and I would only have sex in a committed healthy relationship.

Also this only applies to gay men, lesbians seem to have much better relationships and are also much less promiscuous than both gay men and straight couples.

Any thoughts?

Homosexual men having multiple partners is not a new phenomena.

don't make it right

[Wisconsin9]

Homosexual men having multiple partners is not a new phenomena.

don't make it right

Nothing in particular that makes it wrong, either.

[Amerieka]

Except this thread isn't just about sexuality -- it's about gender diversity too.

Also -- with all due respect -- I don't see how there are any "heterosexual issues".

Human Gender and Sexuality: Rights and Issues

Don't say it's an unreasonable proposal.

I recommend changing the title and purpose of this thread to be more encompassing.

Human Gender and Sexuality: Rights and Issues

[Nature-Spirits]

Hey.

Do any gay guys here feel like the gay community and culture is starting to turn into a bad thing. I mean gay men sleep around a lot and don't settle down and have a real relationship, I personally don't think this is a healthy lifestyle. I know not all gay guys do this, I'm bi and I would only have sex in a committed healthy relationship.

Also this only applies to gay men, lesbians seem to have much better relationships and are also much less promiscuous than both gay men and straight couples.

Any thoughts?

Well, I don't identify as male per se, but I do identify as part of the gay community, so I'll go ahead and answer this.

There are some things about the mainstream gay community and culture that I'm not proud of. It's generally considered more okay for us to do things that straight men would be labelled perverts (and other, similar things) for, and that's not really a good thing. That said, if someone wants to have a lot of casual sex, I won't judge them; and I will say that it is probably harder for a gay person to find a compatible partner than it is for a straight person, simply due to our lower numbers.