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Postby Oneracon » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:55 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
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I hope that when I have kids and they grow up, things won't still be this way. Where can people can be who they without having to be labled or meet other's expectations.

Live and let live.

When the day comes that I can say 'I'm a heterosexual' and people will ask 'what's that, then?', I will be a happier man. Because everyone is a bisexual in some way or another. Some have a more expressed taste. Oh, when doth come the day...

I will respectfully disagree with that assessment, though I do agree with your overall sentiment.

Sexual and romantic orientations are significantly more complex then expressed preferences along a Kinsey Scale, and stating that everyone is bisexual does not give full respect to the lived experiences of people who have never experienced attraction to the opposite sex (or sexual attraction at all).
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:04 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:I haven't experienced any type of crush that didn't also feature sexuality, so yeah. How would that work?

I did have such a crush, and it's... Well... I don't know how to put it. It's almost an art. It feels like you're in a book. The feeling of to linked personalities, without the sexual desire. It can happen.

The closest I've got was with sexual desire, but not wanting to act it out (complicated reasons, don't want to discuss). But asides from being asexual, I can't imagine how.
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:09 pm

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Nature-Spirits wrote:Honestly, though, I don't see why you should expect people's respect when you don't respect them in the first place. Saying, "I don't think you guys should be allowed to get married but you totes have to respect my bisexuality" sounds like bullshit, to be quite frank.


I don't want or need to be respected.

That's unfortunate, because you're a legitimately respectable person. Many times gay or bisexual individuals are pressured into ideologies or religions they may otherwise disagree with, simply because it's more "LGBT-friendly". You haven't said things you didn't understand, you've taken your own path. You've become your own unique individual, not just another part of a movement, and you are deserving of respect.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:56 pm

Oneracon wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The Walt Disney Company supports gay marriage:http://www.webpronews.com/marriage-equality-is-good-for-business-facebook-apple-google-and-more-tell-supreme-court-2015-03 Walt would be shocked about what his company is doing. :o

By your logic, Fusajiro Yamauchi would be shocked that the small trading card company he founded in 1889 is now the world's most valuable producer of some sort of electrical moving picture amusement.

Society changes and companies change with them.

The modern company is tarnishing his name.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:59 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:By your logic, Fusajiro Yamauchi would be shocked that the small trading card company he founded in 1889 is now the world's most valuable producer of some sort of electrical moving picture amusement.

Society changes and companies change with them.

The modern company is tarnishing his name.

Ignoring points must be good for you, so, once again, I'll refrain from taking you seriously.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:00 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:By your logic, Fusajiro Yamauchi would be shocked that the small trading card company he founded in 1889 is now the world's most valuable producer of some sort of electrical moving picture amusement.

Society changes and companies change with them.

The modern company is tarnishing his name.

Tell me, what other duty does a company have but make money? They are not a fund, nor are they a humanitarian organisation. They are a money making machine. And those don't care about the beliefs of a man who helped them come to be. His personal beliefs are his own. Disney has nothing to do with LGBT rights, so the founder's beliefs on that matter hold absolutely no value. Especially if he was so bigoted.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:07 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:By your logic, Fusajiro Yamauchi would be shocked that the small trading card company he founded in 1889 is now the world's most valuable producer of some sort of electrical moving picture amusement.

Society changes and companies change with them.

The modern company is tarnishing his name.

By wanting to recruit and retain talented employees? Speaking out against government regulations that unnecessarily cost the company time and money?

I know that Uncle Walt wasn't too business savvy, but I think you're just insulting him.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:07 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:By your logic, Fusajiro Yamauchi would be shocked that the small trading card company he founded in 1889 is now the world's most valuable producer of some sort of electrical moving picture amusement.

Society changes and companies change with them.

The modern company is tarnishing his name.

Seriously. If you're going to ignore entire posts, why even bother posting?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:26 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The modern company is tarnishing his name.

Tell me, what other duty does a company have but make money? They are not a fund, nor are they a humanitarian organisation. They are a money making machine. And those don't care about the beliefs of a man who helped them come to be. His personal beliefs are his own. Disney has nothing to do with LGBT rights, so the founder's beliefs on that matter hold absolutely no value. Especially if he was so bigoted.

The company is pushing a liberal agenda on American children.
Oneracon wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The modern company is tarnishing his name.

By wanting to recruit and retain talented employees? Speaking out against government regulations that unnecessarily cost the company time and money?

I know that Uncle Walt wasn't too business savvy, but I think you're just insulting him.

The Walt Disney Company is doing this to suit their own agenda.
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United Russian Soviet States wrote:The modern company is tarnishing his name.

Seriously. If you're going to ignore entire posts, why even bother posting?

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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:36 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I discuss relevant points.

You discuss no points. You make irrelevant statements.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:37 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I discuss relevant points.

You discuss no points. You make irrelevant statements.

It's only a matter of time before he brings up a Frozen reference.

EDIT: Nevermind, he's already done that today for a OP
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:46 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Tell me, what other duty does a company have but make money? They are not a fund, nor are they a humanitarian organisation. They are a money making machine. And those don't care about the beliefs of a man who helped them come to be. His personal beliefs are his own. Disney has nothing to do with LGBT rights, so the founder's beliefs on that matter hold absolutely no value. Especially if he was so bigoted.

The company is pushing a liberal agenda on American children.

1) Please explain your reasoning.
2) If they really are, how is this bad?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:48 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The company is pushing a liberal agenda on American children.

1) Please explain your reasoning.
2) If they really are, how is this bad?

They support same-sex marriage. They also produced movies that have a liberal bias. Liberalism is bad.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:48 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:1) Please explain your reasoning.
2) If they really are, how is this bad?

They support same-sex marriage. They also produced movies that have a liberal bias. Liberalism is bad.

As bad as freedom
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:50 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:1) Please explain your reasoning.
2) If they really are, how is this bad?

They support same-sex marriage. They also produced movies that have a liberal bias. Liberalism is bad.

How is liberalism bad?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:51 pm

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United Russian Soviet States wrote:They support same-sex marriage. They also produced movies that have a liberal bias. Liberalism is bad.

How is liberalism bad?

It goes against morality.
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United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:How is liberalism bad?

It goes against morality.

How so?
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:51 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The company is pushing a liberal agenda on American children.

1) Please explain your reasoning.
2) If they really are, how is this bad?

You know that you're responding to a post that completely goes by what GCCS actually said, and that this fellow will continue to do so in any "conversation" you have with him, right?

He'll probably just respond to you by saying "That's fascism." or something.

Too late.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:52 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:It goes against morality.

How so?

Same-sex marriage is the one relevant here.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:53 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:How so?

Same-sex marriage is the one relevant here.

You don't need to be in support of same-sex marriage to be a liberal, you realize that much.

And I have yet to hear the slightest clue as to why same-sex marriage is bad
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:56 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:Same-sex marriage is the one relevant here.

You don't need to be in support of same-sex marriage to be a liberal, you realize that much.

And I have yet to hear the slightest clue as to why same-sex marriage is bad

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:56 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:You don't need to be in support of same-sex marriage to be a liberal, you realize that much.

And I have yet to hear the slightest clue as to why same-sex marriage is bad

I will stop posting here because I don't want to get in trouble.

That's a nice cliche way to get out of a argument you can't win.
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:05 pm

Here's a question for the Bisexual peeps of NSG (of which I m one) I personally call myself Bi as a an easier and hassle free way of saying Pan, is there anyone out there who is specifically bisexual and NOT pansexual? For anyone confused as to what pansexual means, basically you can attracted to any combination of sexual characteristics or gender identity, so someone who is bi and NOT pan would be attracted to people who are Male or female but not some one who is say transitioning or someone who's androgynous.

I ask because personally I've never met anyone who is one and not the other, including myself. So, for my own curiosity are you? Or maybe do you know someone who has gone out of their way to say they are one and not the other?
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:09 pm

Olivaero wrote:Here's a question for the Bisexual peeps of NSG (of which I m one) I personally call myself Bi as a an easier and hassle free way of saying Pan, is there anyone out there who is specifically bisexual and NOT pansexual? For anyone confused as to what pansexual means, basically you can attracted to any combination of sexual characteristics or gender identity, so someone who is bi and NOT pan would be attracted to people who are Male or female but not some one who is say transitioning or someone who's androgynous.

I ask because personally I've never met anyone who is one and not the other, including myself. So, for my own curiosity are you? Or maybe do you know someone who has gone out of their way to say they are one and not the other?

Not one myself, but by that description, isn't bi- (and everything else pertaining to humans I guess) just a subset of pan-?
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:19 pm

The Narvaez wrote:Why do we not just Accept that some just wish to be with the same sex and others against?


Because (a loud minority of) the ones that are against keep trying to push their bullshit on those that do wish to be with the same sex.
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