LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Edgy Opinions]

Personally, I think that if we're going to look into semantics, gender is more important than sex, so aside from marriage equality, same-gender marriage is a better term than same-sex marriage.

Nah, there isn't a legal recognition of gender, see non-binary people not having separate stuff to list, and binary trans people needing ~treatment~, often including mandatory surgery, in most places, in the number of countries, mostly in the Americas, Europe and Eastern Asia, where legal sex changes are a thing.

[Zaereas]

Replace gay with witch and you've got the Middle Ages right there.

So, are you trying to say anti-LGBTers want to kill homosexuals?

Not all, but some.

Mmm, murder is a somewhat drastic measure.

[Edgy Opinions]

There is no such thing as a bisexual marriage. As a bisexual, I like men. I like women. I even find some occasional transgender types appealing, so perhaps you can call me pansexual.

The distinction between bi and pan is about communities.

Bi people answered to the concept of sexuality as a spectrum. Pan people answered to the concept of gender as a spectrum.

They don't cancel each other, and in fact, I identify as both.

I am married. To a man. I am in a heterosexual marriage. If I had married a woman, I would be in a gay marriage. There is no way for me to be in a bi marriage, unless they were to allow three or more people into a marriage-like partnership. (Which, incidentally, describes my actual home situation very well. It's just not legally recognized.)

... not all people are cis (so the legal situation of trans x cis marriages might be blurry, depending on how the government wants to interpret the trans person) or even do identify with a binary gender.

[Ardoki]

Not to me, as I am bisexual. I find it offensive, even though it was unintentional and not malignant, I believe it refuses to recognise my sexual orientation.

As a bisexual woman, I do not feel that it fails to address our orientation.

There is no such thing as a bisexual marriage. As a bisexual, I like men. I like women. I even find some occasional transgender types appealing, so perhaps you can call me pansexual.

I am married. To a man. I am in a heterosexual marriage. If I had married a woman, I would be in a gay marriage. There is no way for me to be in a bi marriage, unless they were to allow three or more people into a marriage-like partnership. (Which, incidentally, describes my actual home situation very well. It's just not legally recognized.)

So you think if a bisexual marries another person of the same gender, they are homosexual? That's biphobia!

[Zaereas]

As a bisexual woman, I do not feel that it fails to address our orientation.

There is no such thing as a bisexual marriage. As a bisexual, I like men. I like women. I even find some occasional transgender types appealing, so perhaps you can call me pansexual.

I am married. To a man. I am in a heterosexual marriage. If I had married a woman, I would be in a gay marriage. There is no way for me to be in a bi marriage, unless they were to allow three or more people into a marriage-like partnership. (Which, incidentally, describes my actual home situation very well. It's just not legally recognized.)

So you think if a bisexual marries another person of the same gender, they are homosexual? That's biphobia!

I'm bisexual and I despise the LGBT movement because of things like this. I feel accepted as long as people know that I also like men as well as women. I don't want or need a special title or extra "rights". I don't care if I'm called gay for being bi, I kinda just don't want to get beaten up on the street, which I don't.

You don't need to inform people on what whateverphobia they are exhibiting. Why is it a big deal? There are so many reasons you can get harassed, bisexuals aren't oppressed or regularly killed or whatever.

[Ardoki]

So you think if a bisexual marries another person of the same gender, they are homosexual? That's biphobia!

I'm bisexual and I despise the LGBT movement because of things like this. I feel accepted as long as people know that I also like men as well as women. I don't want or need a special title or extra "rights". I don't care if I'm called gay for being bi, I kinda just don't want to get beaten up on the street, which I don't.

I find it offensive when people claim that if a bisexual person is married to the opposite sex they are heterosexual, or with the same they are homosexual.

And people such as the person I responded to clearly have no idea of the important semantic difference between 'Same Sex Marriage' and 'Homosexual Marriage'. 'Homosexual Marriage' implies that it is between two homosexuals, while 'Same Sex Marriage' would include bisexuals.

[Nature-Spirits]

As a bisexual woman, I do not feel that it fails to address our orientation.

There is no such thing as a bisexual marriage. As a bisexual, I like men. I like women. I even find some occasional transgender types appealing, so perhaps you can call me pansexual.

I am married. To a man. I am in a heterosexual marriage. If I had married a woman, I would be in a gay marriage. There is no way for me to be in a bi marriage, unless they were to allow three or more people into a marriage-like partnership. (Which, incidentally, describes my actual home situation very well. It's just not legally recognized.)

So you think if a bisexual marries another person of the same gender, they are homosexual? That's biphobia!

While I see your point and agree to a degree, I think that what she's saying is that she's in a heterosexual-type relationship, not that she's heterosexual.

[Ardoki]

So you think if a bisexual marries another person of the same gender, they are homosexual? That's biphobia!

While I see your point and agree to a degree, I think that what she's saying is that she's in a heterosexual-type relationship, not that she's heterosexual.

If that is what he means, he must have no idea what I was originally arguing about. Anyway, never once did I mention the concept of 'Bisexual Marriage'.

[Zaereas]

I'm bisexual and I despise the LGBT movement because of things like this. I feel accepted as long as people know that I also like men as well as women. I don't want or need a special title or extra "rights". I don't care if I'm called gay for being bi, I kinda just don't want to get beaten up on the street, which I don't.

I find it offensive when people claim that if a bisexual person is married to the opposite sex they are heterosexual, or with the same they are homosexual.

And people such as the person I responded to clearly have no idea of the important semantic difference between 'Same Sex Marriage' and 'Homosexual Marriage'. 'Homosexual Marriage' implies that it is between two homosexuals, while 'Same Sex Marriage' would include bisexuals.

Semantics are not important. We are bisexual, why are you offended at being called gay?

[Ardoki]

I find it offensive when people claim that if a bisexual person is married to the opposite sex they are heterosexual, or with the same they are homosexual.

And people such as the person I responded to clearly have no idea of the important semantic difference between 'Same Sex Marriage' and 'Homosexual Marriage'. 'Homosexual Marriage' implies that it is between two homosexuals, while 'Same Sex Marriage' would include bisexuals.

Semantics are not important. We are bisexual, why are you offended at being called gay?

I'm not. I just don't want to be incorrectly labelled.

Some people think I'm English because of my slight English accent, yet I'm not. I also find that a bit annoying.

[Edgy Opinions]

I'm bisexual and I despise the LGBT movement because of things like this. I feel accepted as long as people know that I also like men as well as women. I don't want or need a special title or extra "rights". I don't care if I'm called gay for being bi, I kinda just don't want to get beaten up on the street, which I don't.

You don't need to inform people on what whateverphobia they are exhibiting. Why is it a big deal? There are so many reasons you can get harassed, bisexuals aren't oppressed or regularly killed or whatever.

Even heteros can be harassed because of homophobic people: http://acapa.virgula.uol.com.br/politica/filho-de-casal-gay-esta-em-coma-apos-ser-espancado-na-escola-por-homofobia/2/32/26059

Homophobia exists because of transphobia. Transphobia is closely related to sexism and intersexphobia. These become legitimate because of binarism. Binarism when it comes to gender also is an ideology propagated about sexuality and identity in general. This gives origin to biphobia, and specifically misogynistic homophobia, biphobia and transphobia (lesbophobia, sapphobia, transmisogyny), strengthened through objectification of women and their bodies, and the idea that their sexualities only matter when seen from the gaze of men.

It's not because it's just ~illiberal bigotry~. It's because each of these prejudices reinforce the other kinds.

[Zaereas]

I'm bisexual and I despise the LGBT movement because of things like this. I feel accepted as long as people know that I also like men as well as women. I don't want or need a special title or extra "rights". I don't care if I'm called gay for being bi, I kinda just don't want to get beaten up on the street, which I don't.

You don't need to inform people on what whateverphobia they are exhibiting. Why is it a big deal? There are so many reasons you can get harassed, bisexuals aren't oppressed or regularly killed or whatever.

Even heteros can be harassed because of homophobic people: http://acapa.virgula.uol.com.br/politica/filho-de-casal-gay-esta-em-coma-apos-ser-espancado-na-escola-por-homofobia/2/32/26059

Homophobia exists because of transphobia. Transphobia is closely related to sexism and intersexphobia. These become legitimate because of binarism. Binarism when it comes to gender also is an ideology propagated about sexuality and identity in general. This gives origin to biphobia, and specifically misogynistic homophobia, biphobia and transphobia (lesbophobia, sapphobia, transmisogyny), strengthened through objectification of women and their bodies, and the idea that their sexualities only matter when seen from the gaze of men.

It's not because it's just ~illiberal bigotry~. It's because each of these prejudices reinforce the other kinds.

:facepalm:

Is this what SJWs actually believe?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Even heteros can be harassed because of homophobic people: http://acapa.virgula.uol.com.br/politica/filho-de-casal-gay-esta-em-coma-apos-ser-espancado-na-escola-por-homofobia/2/32/26059

Homophobia exists because of transphobia. Transphobia is closely related to sexism and intersexphobia. These become legitimate because of binarism. Binarism when it comes to gender also is an ideology propagated about sexuality and identity in general. This gives origin to biphobia, and specifically misogynistic homophobia, biphobia and transphobia (lesbophobia, sapphobia, transmisogyny), strengthened through objectification of women and their bodies, and the idea that their sexualities only matter when seen from the gaze of men.

It's not because it's just ~illiberal bigotry~. It's because each of these prejudices reinforce the other kinds.

:facepalm:

Is this what SJWs actually believe?

Different people who work for social justice believe different things.

[Ardoki]

Even heteros can be harassed because of homophobic people: http://acapa.virgula.uol.com.br/politica/filho-de-casal-gay-esta-em-coma-apos-ser-espancado-na-escola-por-homofobia/2/32/26059

Homophobia exists because of transphobia. Transphobia is closely related to sexism and intersexphobia. These become legitimate because of binarism. Binarism when it comes to gender also is an ideology propagated about sexuality and identity in general. This gives origin to biphobia, and specifically misogynistic homophobia, biphobia and transphobia (lesbophobia, sapphobia, transmisogyny), strengthened through objectification of women and their bodies, and the idea that their sexualities only matter when seen from the gaze of men.

It's not because it's just ~illiberal bigotry~. It's because each of these prejudices reinforce the other kinds.

:facepalm:

Is this what SJWs actually believe?

If you're a fascist... Why would you identify as bisexual?

Fascism is against LGBT people.

[Nature-Spirits]

I'm bisexual and I despise the LGBT movement because of things like this. I feel accepted as long as people know that I also like men as well as women. I don't want or need a special title or extra "rights". I don't care if I'm called gay for being bi, I kinda just don't want to get beaten up on the street, which I don't.

You don't need to inform people on what whateverphobia they are exhibiting. Why is it a big deal? There are so many reasons you can get harassed, bisexuals aren't oppressed or regularly killed or whatever.

Even heteros can be harassed because of homophobic people: http://acapa.virgula.uol.com.br/politica/filho-de-casal-gay-esta-em-coma-apos-ser-espancado-na-escola-por-homofobia/2/32/26059

Homophobia exists because of transphobia. Transphobia is closely related to sexism and intersexphobia. These become legitimate because of binarism. Binarism when it comes to gender also is an ideology propagated about sexuality and identity in general. This gives origin to biphobia, and specifically misogynistic homophobia, biphobia and transphobia (lesbophobia, sapphobia, transmisogyny), strengthened through objectification of women and their bodies, and the idea that their sexualities only matter when seen from the gaze of men.

It's not because it's just ~illiberal bigotry~. It's because each of these prejudices reinforce the other kinds.

This... is actually one of the best breakdowns of queerphobia I've ever seen.

It all has to do with intersectionality. Laverne Cox, for one, talks a lot about the intersection of racism, transphobia, and misogyny, which is the reason for which trans women of colour have the highest unnatural death rates out of every queer demographic (at least in the West; I don't know if those statistics apply elsewhere).

[Zaereas]

:facepalm:

Is this what SJWs actually believe?

If you're a fascist... Why would you identify as bisexual?

Because the fascist system has nothing to do with bisexuals or homosexuals. Hitler and Mussolini did, but the system of Fascism is not inherently homophobic.

Also, I don't identify as bisexual. I was born bisexual, therefore I am. I can't change that.

[Nature-Spirits]

:facepalm:

Is this what SJWs actually believe?

If you're a fascist... Why would you identify as bisexual?

Fascism is against LGBT people.

Well, apparently, he's bisexual, but (according to his sig) anti- "Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism... Liberals, Social Justice, [and] Feminism". He either has some sort of inferiority complex, is insecure in his sexual orientation, or both.

[Ardoki]

If you're a fascist... Why would you identify as bisexual?

Because the fascist system has nothing to do with bisexuals or homosexuals. Hitler and Mussolini did, but the system of Fascism is not inherently homophobic.

Fascism is very culturally conservative, and calls for an end to the decadent ways of capitalism. I don't see how you can deny fascism isn't anti-LGBT, when the guy who created it was, and that has been carried into the ideology and every interpretation of it.

Plus your signature says you are against the LGBT movement, same-sex marriage and transgender individuals.

[Ardoki]

If you're a fascist... Why would you identify as bisexual?

Fascism is against LGBT people.

Well, apparently, he's bisexual, but (according to his sig) anti- "Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism... Liberals, Social Justice, [and] Feminism". He either has some sort of inferiority complex, is insecure in his sexual orientation, or both.

You got there before me.

Yeah, I find it strange. It must mean he hates himself somehow (as he said he is bisexual, yet he also says he is against LGBT people in his signature).

[Zaereas]

If you're a fascist... Why would you identify as bisexual?

Fascism is against LGBT people.

Well, apparently, he's bisexual, but (according to his sig) anti- "Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism... Liberals, Social Justice, [and] Feminism". He either has some sort of inferiority complex, is insecure in his sexual orientation, or both.

And someone being bisexual who is against Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism, Liberals, Social Justice and Feminism obviously has an inferiority complex because he doesn't like to get grouped up with whiney entitled gays?

[Ardoki]

Well, apparently, he's bisexual, but (according to his sig) anti- "Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism... Liberals, Social Justice, [and] Feminism". He either has some sort of inferiority complex, is insecure in his sexual orientation, or both.

And someone being bisexual who is against Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism, Liberals, Social Justice and Feminism obviously has an inferiority complex because he doesn't like to get grouped up with whiney entitled gays?

I don't think homosexuals would group you as bisexual, in fact a lot (though definitely not all) of homosexuals deny that bisexuality is real.

[Nature-Spirits]

And someone being bisexual who is against Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism, Liberals, Social Justice and Feminism obviously has an inferiority complex because he doesn't like to get grouped up with whiney entitled gays?

I don't think homosexuals would group you as bisexual, in fact a lot (though definitely not all) of homosexuals deny that bisexuality is real.

Though really, this bisexual erasure is quite unfortunate. A lesbian friend of mine (who's bisexual-affirming, much as myself, mind you) says that it's probably because a lot of gay people come out first as bisexual (herself and myself included), so they think that legitimately bisexual people are just confused, and I'm inclined to agree with her.

[Zaereas]

And someone being bisexual who is against Multiculturalism, LGBT Movement, Gay Marriage, Transgenderism, Liberals, Social Justice and Feminism obviously has an inferiority complex because he doesn't like to get grouped up with whiney entitled gays?

I don't think homosexuals would group you as bisexual, in fact a lot (though definitely not all) of homosexuals deny that bisexuality is real.

Honestly, I've had more people in the LGBT community harass me than heterosexuals ever had. Since I'm a bisexual who disagrees with gay marriage, that means I can't possibly be bisexual, and I'm lying about my sexuality. I've been heckled at for being a "faggot", but at least they didn't try to tell me I'm not actually bi.

[Nature-Spirits]

I don't think homosexuals would group you as bisexual, in fact a lot (though definitely not all) of homosexuals deny that bisexuality is real.

Honestly, I've had more people in the LGBT community harass me than heterosexuals ever had. Since I'm a bisexual who disagrees with gay marriage, that means I can't possibly be bisexual, and I'm lying about my sexuality. I've been heckled at for being a "faggot", but at least they didn't try to tell me I'm not actually bi.

Honestly, though, I don't see why you should expect people's respect when you don't respect them in the first place. Saying, "I don't think you guys should be allowed to get married but you totes have to respect my bisexuality" sounds like bullshit, to be quite frank.

[Zaereas]

Honestly, I've had more people in the LGBT community harass me than heterosexuals ever had. Since I'm a bisexual who disagrees with gay marriage, that means I can't possibly be bisexual, and I'm lying about my sexuality. I've been heckled at for being a "faggot", but at least they didn't try to tell me I'm not actually bi.

Honestly, though, I don't see why you should expect people's respect when you don't respect them in the first place. Saying, "I don't think you guys should be allowed to get married but you totes have to respect my bisexuality" sounds like bullshit, to be quite frank.

I don't want or need to be respected. Even though I don't agree with gay marriage, I do not harass gays because of it.