LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Othelos]

What do you think about nationalism?

It's good to the point where someone would support and defend their nation and allies, but overdoing it is a bad thing. People are people whether they're from a different nation, so they deserve to be treated as equals whenever possible.

[Divair2]

What do you think about nationalism?

How off-topic and irrelevant.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

What do you think about nationalism?

How off-topic and irrelevant.

Not necessarily.

Over the above link, I think such a concept would be as legitimate as people's motives to support Israel.

[Aeken]

How off-topic and irrelevant.

Not necessarily.

Over the above link, I think such a concept would be as legitimate as people's motives to support Israel.

Gay homeland? Uh, no thanks.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Not necessarily.

Over the above link, I think such a concept would be as legitimate as people's motives to support Israel.

Gay homeland? Uh, no thanks.

We don't need it in the Western world, agreed. But for countless of people in the more backward parts of Latin America and Eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, Africa and the Caribbean, it would make a great difference.

[Sefard]

Not necessarily.

Over the above link, I think such a concept would be as legitimate as people's motives to support Israel.

Gay homeland? Uh, no thanks.

A gay nation would be very nice.
I have recommended this idea once before.

The Serene Republic of San Francisco
An Autonomous Republic of the American Federation

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

A gay nation would be very nice.
I have recommended this idea once before.

The Serene Republic of San Francisco
An Autonomous Republic of the American Federation

Rio de Janeiro is arguably underdeveloped world's San Francisco. And we need far more infrastructure, organization, observing, international pressure and money. It would be reaaaaally helpful here. California has already enough development on its own's merit. :V

[Sefard]

A gay nation would be very nice.
I have recommended this idea once before.

The Serene Republic of San Francisco
An Autonomous Republic of the American Federation

Rio de Janeiro is arguably underdeveloped world's San Francisco. And we need far more infrastructure, organization, observing, international pressure and money. It would be reaaaaally helpful here. California has already enough development on its own's merit. :V

How many homosexuals are there worldwide, approximately?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

How many homosexuals are there worldwide, approximately?

Queer people are 12% of a given population in post-industrial societal gender settings, so I imagine somewhere between 700 and 800 million.

Around 1 billion people live in countries with marriage equality nowadays.

[Sefard]

How many homosexuals are there worldwide, approximately?

Queer people are 12% of a given population in post-industrial societal gender settings, so I imagine somewhere between 700 and 800 million.

Around 1 billion people live in countries with marriage equality nowadays.

Then we shall establish an independent gay republic in western China.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Then we shall establish an independent gay republic in western China.

Australia and Eastern South America are the wisest options (close to strongly heterosexist populous areas, such as West Africa, the Caribbean and parts of Asia), China is too dense for political pressure be any relevant at causing separatist movements and not democratic at all to start with, enough said.

[Scholmeria]

What do you think about nationalism?

How off-topic and irrelevant.

Now, it is rellevant. Many gays should feel patriotic over their home countries.

[Aeken]

Gay homeland? Uh, no thanks.

A gay nation would be very nice.
I have recommended this idea once before.

The Serene Republic of San Francisco
An Autonomous Republic of the American Federation

Yeah, it was shitty.

Gay homeland? Uh, no thanks.

We don't need it in the Western world, agreed. But for countless of people in the more backward parts of Latin America and Eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, Africa and the Caribbean, it would make a great difference.

Or just giving them rights.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

We don't need it in the Western world, agreed. But for countless of people in the more backward parts of Latin America and Eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, Africa and the Caribbean, it would make a great difference.

Or just giving them rights.

We'll need another century to eradicate shari'a laws that are used to condemn us to death.

Be equal to other people on the whole globe?! hah

[Aeken]

Or just giving them rights.

We'll need another century to eradicate shari'a laws that are used to condemn us to death.

Be equal to other people on the whole globe?! hah

Unfortunately...

[Aequalitia]

We'll need another century to eradicate shari'a laws that are used to condemn us to death.

Be equal to other people on the whole globe?! hah

Unfortunately...

Sadly but likely we need to wait a long time before equal rights would be on the whole world. Especially in the more conservative/religious parts of this world it don't would be easy.

However, laws makes no big different for an equal, friendly society. Society self is the key towards acceptation. If it is in law not allowed to kill someone because his/her sexuality isn't 'normal', but society does kill almost daily someone because of that, then the law don't would be taken serious.

Society is the key.

[Ermarian]

- Utah (Judge Robert Shelby, Kitchen v. Herbert),
- Oklahoma (Judge Terence Kern, Bishop v. US),
- Virginia (Judge Arenda Allen, Bostic v. Rainey),
- Kentucky (Judge John Heyburn, Bourke & Deleon v. Beshear) out-of-state marriages only; lawsuit extended to include in-state marriage (Judge John Heyburn, Love v. Beshear ( , just like Virginia v. Loving)), I'm not clear on whether that means Heyburn will still rule on that separately or whether the ruling is immediately extended pending appeal.
- and now Texas (Judge Orlando Garcia, De Leon v. Perry)...

- and now, Michigan. (Judge Bernard Friedman , DeBoer v. Snyder).

Nice one, Michigan!

- Ohio (Judge Timothy Black, Henry v. Wymyslo) must recognize out-of-state marriages. (The lawsuit had also been amended to include in-state marriages, so I guess the judge will still rule on that.)

[Hakio]

Here is a emotionally moving, plea to the Catholic Pope to turn against their homophobic views to help to curtail LGBT youth homelessness:
http://www.faithinamerica.org/2010-2/wp ... -13-14.pdf

[Hakio]

"The number youths enduring this cruel fate is staggering; last year over 200,000 LGBT youths experienced homelessness in the US."

[Respawn]

Here is a emotionally moving, plea to the Catholic Pope to turn against their homophobic views to help to curtail LGBT youth homelessness:
http://www.faithinamerica.org/2010-2/wp ... -13-14.pdf

Wishful thinking. Surely they aren't expecting the Church to suddenly stop calling sodomy bad?

[Aequalitia]

"The number youths enduring this cruel fate is staggering; last year over 200,000 LGBT youths experienced homelessness in the US."

I guess the highest homeless LGBT youths are in the unfriendly-LGBT states?

Don't forget this isn't a US problem, this is a world problem.

[Divair2]

How off-topic and irrelevant.

Now, it is rellevant. Many gays should feel patriotic over their home countries.

No. And still off-topic. This thread is designed for discussing concerning LGBT rights, not as a platform for you to preach about nationalism.

[Ermarian]

Here is a emotionally moving, plea to the Catholic Pope to turn against their homophobic views to help to curtail LGBT youth homelessness:
http://www.faithinamerica.org/2010-2/wp ... -13-14.pdf

Wishful thinking. Surely they aren't expecting the Church to suddenly stop calling sodomy bad?

Considering this pope seems to have a shred of humanity, and the church generally claims to be compassionate toward people it disapproves of... it's worth a shot. I mean, nobody forces the pope to take a hard line on homosexuality. Who's going to excommunicate him for it?
Worst thing that could happen is that the pope doubles down on homophobia and proves that nope, the whole "compassion" thing was a sham and the church is still the same old.

[Othelos]

Wishful thinking. Surely they aren't expecting the Church to suddenly stop calling sodomy bad?

Considering this pope seems to have a shred of humanity, and the church generally claims to be compassionate toward people it disapproves of... it's worth a shot. I mean, nobody forces the pope to take a hard line on homosexuality. Who's going to excommunicate him for it?
Worst thing that could happen is that the pope doubles down on homophobia and proves that nope, the whole "compassion" thing was a sham and the church is still the same old.

It is, the pope has just been putting on a fresh face.

[Valica]

So why is it that when I defend LGBTs and LGBT rights, people think I'm gay?
I live in the bible belt, so that might have something to do with it.

But it seems that people think I am gay when I get into a conversation over gay rights.
It upsets me that, at least in my area, those who defend gays are considered to be gay.

Also, a question:
What can an ally do in this area to help get some progress?
I live next to a major city, Louisville.
Lots of progressive thinking here, but still quite a few homophobes and whatnot.