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by Conglomerate of Iron » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:18 pm
by The Sanguinian Islands » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:19 pm
Kelinfort wrote:Iron Guard wrote:The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.
And that's where psychology steps in to help the individual.
Someone who claims to have taken Psy should understand this.
by Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:20 pm
Iron Guard wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:People have authority over their own bodies.
I agree it shouldn't be done by others. Which is why intersex conditions shouldn't be pathologized, people mutilate at least 10% of intersex infants' genitals because of said bullshit.
The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Othelos wrote:...ok...even though it isn't. Dating/relationships aren't JUST about someone's body...and some people aren't attracted to vaginas/penises.
How was that a refutation to what I said?
The genitals of a trans person even aren't central to many forms of sex. Hell, lots of them are dysphoric.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:21 pm
Iron Guard wrote:The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:22 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:24 pm
by Megali Helles » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:25 pm
by The Sanguinian Islands » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:26 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:26 pm
Megali Helles wrote:Actually, it does. Gender fluidity based on circumstance is the norm for most of nature. A binary system is the outlier.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:28 pm
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:What did you get against Nordics?
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3582
by Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:28 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Othelos wrote:It's a refutation because someone not dating a trans person isn't necessarily cissexist.
Reading trans people as something fundamentally different from cis people to a point you shouldn't touch them or interact with them on a deeper level IS about being socially immersed in a society that is problematic in their conceptualization of trans people. It might not be transphobic, but it is cissexist.
A few pages ago New World Oceania gave a source that talked about a society that doesn't see difference between male and female genitals.
by Iron Guard » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:29 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Iron Guard wrote:The mutilation in this case is the correct thing to do. If I had grown up that way, I'd have killed myself long ago. Don't you understand how humiliating and embarrassing that would be? I'd feel like a monster.
They often lose sensibility and/or fertility as a consequence?
Furthermore, intersex people are incredible! I would find it really cool if I found out I'm not XY, or at least not fully so. I mean, there was a man in China who discovered he has a womb! How awesome is that?
There's no point in thinking you're a freak or anything of the sort if society didn't put so much centrality in gender roles. Intersexuality in a general term generally doesn't cause problems to your function. Everybody has a mental condition, or a small amount of disability (I'm myopic and astigmatic, what is amazingly common), or something that would rate them according to an arbitrary system.
None of that is relevant to who we actually are. Eugenics and other forms of positivist understanding of our corporeality lies about humans, and lies about nature.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:29 pm
Othelos wrote:That's totally different from what we were talking about.
We were talking about dating, not coming into contact with a trans person.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:30 pm
Iron Guard wrote:Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?
by Megali Helles » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:31 pm
by The balkens » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:31 pm
Iron Guard wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:They often lose sensibility and/or fertility as a consequence?
Furthermore, intersex people are incredible! I would find it really cool if I found out I'm not XY, or at least not fully so. I mean, there was a man in China who discovered he has a womb! How awesome is that?
There's no point in thinking you're a freak or anything of the sort if society didn't put so much centrality in gender roles. Intersexuality in a general term generally doesn't cause problems to your function. Everybody has a mental condition, or a small amount of disability (I'm myopic and astigmatic, what is amazingly common), or something that would rate them according to an arbitrary system.
None of that is relevant to who we actually are. Eugenics and other forms of positivist understanding of our corporeality lies about humans, and lies about nature.
Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?
by The Sanguinian Islands » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The Sanguinian Islands wrote:http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3582
The amount of BS and scientific illiteracy in this source, I just can't.
Nothing too absurd, though.
by Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm
by Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Othelos wrote:That's totally different from what we were talking about.
We were talking about dating, not coming into contact with a trans person.
The importance people give to dating and gender roles when it comes to our functioning in them is also contaminated by the society we are immersed.
by Megali Helles » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:32 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:33 pm
Iron Guard wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:They often lose sensibility and/or fertility as a consequence?
Furthermore, intersex people are incredible! I would find it really cool if I found out I'm not XY, or at least not fully so. I mean, there was a man in China who discovered he has a womb! How awesome is that?
There's no point in thinking you're a freak or anything of the sort if society didn't put so much centrality in gender roles. Intersexuality in a general term generally doesn't cause problems to your function. Everybody has a mental condition, or a small amount of disability (I'm myopic and astigmatic, what is amazingly common), or something that would rate them according to an arbitrary system.
None of that is relevant to who we actually are. Eugenics and other forms of positivist understanding of our corporeality lies about humans, and lies about nature.
Incredible? It's freaking disgusting. The more you talk about it the more I realize how sick this whole thing is. Why would anyone keep an intersex child around? It's disgusting! What is wrong with you?
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:33 pm
Megali Helles wrote:I do. And youre, quite literally, wrong.
Fascism elevates the entire nation as a singular organism personified by the State. All race, sex, gender, amd religious differences, necessarily, become subordinate. Thus the transgendered and homosexual is a REQUIRED part of the whole. Their particular variation from the cultural norm is moot and ireelevant to fascist ideology. They are part of the organism. The organism that both sustains them and is sustained by them.
To alienate a part of the organism based on personal preference is to foolishly insist the pancreas is more important than the kidney.
Fascism is syncretic and inclusive. Exclusivity is a perversion of fascism.
by Iron Guard » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:33 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Othelos wrote:That's totally different from what we were talking about.
We were talking about dating, not coming into contact with a trans person.
The importance people give to dating and gender roles when it comes to our functioning in them is also contaminated by the society we are immersed.
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