Des-Bal wrote:I already brought up the impact of sex on behavior in animals which are without culture.
Animals lack culture, but humans lack instinct and response to pheromones to the most part.
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by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:59 pm
Des-Bal wrote:I already brought up the impact of sex on behavior in animals which are without culture.
by Des-Bal » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:00 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Animals lack culture, but humans lack instinct and response to pheromones to the most part.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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by The New World Oceania » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:01 pm
Des-Bal wrote:The New World Oceania wrote:I asked for your evidence when you made another claim that mine was "unsubstantial" to refute any argument you're making. The issue is that you haven't made any argument at all. I'm asking you to directly quote each instance of your providing evidence throughout this discussion.
I have devoted a good portion of my life to the study of critical theory and cultural studies and decline to see how the Gerai people's view of male and female genitalia as conceptually identical indicates their ethical values. Could you elaborate?
I already brought up the impact of sex on behavior in animals which are without culture. Your evidence is not evidence of the thing you're saying.
Elaborate what exactly?
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:01 pm
Des-Bal wrote:So that's not true or relevant.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:02 pm
The New World Oceania wrote:And sexuality in animals which are both absent gender systems and absent society does little to help your case. They have biological sexes, but they have no established genders. Pairing their lack of gender and their lack of socialized culture is supplementary affirmation that gender is exclusively social.
by Des-Bal » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:04 pm
The New World Oceania wrote:
And sexuality in animals which are both absent gender systems and absent society does little to help your case. They have biological sexes, but they have no established genders. Pairing their lack of gender and their lack of socialized culture is supplementary affirmation that gender is exclusively social.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:05 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Which again supposes gender is social which you might note is your entire fucking argument. When your evidence is evidence only when the thing you're substantiating is already accepted as true it is not evidence.
by Des-Bal » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:08 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:...because Oceania is arguing for the accepted definition of the vocable "gender".
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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by Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:08 pm
by The New World Oceania » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:09 pm
Des-Bal wrote:The New World Oceania wrote:
And sexuality in animals which are both absent gender systems and absent society does little to help your case. They have biological sexes, but they have no established genders. Pairing their lack of gender and their lack of socialized culture is supplementary affirmation that gender is exclusively social.
Which again supposes gender is social which you might note is your entire fucking argument. When your evidence is evidence only when the thing you're substantiating is already accepted as true it is not evidence.
by Des-Bal » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:11 pm
The New World Oceania wrote:
You're continually claiming that it's not evidence because it "assumes the claim is already true," but that whole argument over the viability of evidednce is predicated on the idea that the argument is already true.
(and it still doesn't present any evidence!)
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by The Steel Magnolia » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:45 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:46 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:49 pm
by Spoder » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:07 pm
Des-Bal wrote:The New World Oceania wrote:
You're continually claiming that it's not evidence because it "assumes the claim is already true," but that whole argument over the viability of evidednce is predicated on the idea that the argument is already true.
(and it still doesn't present any evidence!)
No it's really not.
by The New World Oceania » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:11 pm
The Steel Magnolia wrote:but on topic gender pretty obviously exists. it's a social concept yeah, but so what. just because something isn't material doesn't mean it doesn't exist. it's pedantry in pursuit of a political goal that will not be achieved with said pedantry.
by Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:34 pm
Far Right Reactionary Fascists wrote:Homosexuality inhibits the new man from developing, it is therefore counter revolutionary and thus harmful.
Not only this, but it is completely unnatural!
I hope one day scientists discover the virus that causes the chemical imbalance that leads to homosexuality. I believe Nazi Germany had a cure, the homosexuals were given medicine and therapy and soon were restored to heterosexuals.
My point is, we shouldn't encourage them because this may well be a virus, or some kind of defect that can be repaired.
by Spoder » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:35 pm
Far Right Reactionary Fascists wrote:Homosexuality inhibits the new man from developing, it is therefore counter revolutionary and thus harmful.
Not only this, but it is completely unnatural!
I hope one day scientists discover the virus that causes the chemical imbalance that leads to homosexuality. I believe Nazi Germany had a cure, the homosexuals were given medicine and therapy and soon were restored to heterosexuals.
My point is, we shouldn't encourage them because this may well be a virus, or some kind of defect that can be repaired.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:47 pm
by Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:48 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:But anyway, we have no vomeronasal gland. We don't get in heat. Sexual orientation in humans can be fooled by looks, or bypassed through a comprehensive understanding of gender identity.
Really different.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:49 pm
Othelos wrote:Sexual orientation can't necessarily be bypassed with that
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