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Postby Estenia » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:05 am

Firsthome wrote:
Estenia wrote:
A snowflake that is being love by sombody.


:roll: totally

That classic innocence face. Classic, classic. 8)
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Postby Jinwoy » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:09 am

Firsthome wrote:
Valica wrote:
As an English speaker, it most certainly does need to make sense to me.
It also needs to make sense to every English speaker, else it won't be taken seriously and it will only hurt your cause.

I will not use ou. It's archaic and that's not how the word was used.
I will use they or another non-archaic word that fits the mold.

Unless there is some meeting including the Oxford elite and English scholars where they create or decide on new genderless pronouns, I will use they.

Because "they" is grammatically correct and "ou" is not. Ou is not in the dictionary and is not a word in modern English.

You're coming off like a special snowflake or tumblrina.
You don't get to change a fundamental part of English simply because it doesn't meet your standards.

"They" completely fits the mold and there is nothing about it that doesn't validate those who don't identify as male or female.

Full stop.



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Postby Estenia » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:10 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Firsthome wrote:

What's a special snowflake?


A member of that newly-adult, me'er-than-me generation which expects attention and praise just for being themselves -- doing anything to deserve it is completely optional.

Oh, he's too much of special snowflake to get a day job -- his mom's paying the rent while he hangs out waiting for the perfect high-paying project to come along. I guess the market for C-minus filmmaking majors is a little soft right now or something.

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Postby Firsthome » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:28 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Firsthome wrote:

What's a special snowflake?


A member of that newly-adult, me'er-than-me generation which expects attention and praise just for being themselves -- doing anything to deserve it is completely optional.

Oh, he's too much of special snowflake to get a day job -- his mom's paying the rent while he hangs out waiting for the perfect high-paying project to come along. I guess the market for C-minus filmmaking majors is a little soft right now or something.

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Thanks. If you fave me the link for that, I would have been mad cause my school blocks it :meh:
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Postby Estenia » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:29 am

Firsthome wrote:
Jinwoy wrote:
A member of that newly-adult, me'er-than-me generation which expects attention and praise just for being themselves -- doing anything to deserve it is completely optional.

Oh, he's too much of special snowflake to get a day job -- his mom's paying the rent while he hangs out waiting for the perfect high-paying project to come along. I guess the market for C-minus filmmaking majors is a little soft right now or something.

^Urban Dictionary


Thanks. If you fave me the link for that, I would have been mad cause my school blocks it :meh:

Why you Americans can be online from schools while on mine they don't even allow us to use phones. Goddamnit
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Postby Immoren » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:30 am

Estenia wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
Thanks. If you fave me the link for that, I would have been mad cause my school blocks it :meh:

Why you Americans can be online from schools while on mine they don't even allow us to use phones. Goddamnit


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Postby Estenia » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:31 am

Immoren wrote:
Estenia wrote:Why you Americans can be online from schools while on mine they don't even allow us to use phones. Goddamnit


IT-class?

They make us going to sh*tty sites for 6 year olds.
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Postby Firsthome » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:31 am

Immoren wrote:
Estenia wrote:Why you Americans can be online from schools while on mine they don't even allow us to use phones. Goddamnit


IT-class?

No.

Chinese :3
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Postby Thama » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:42 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Firsthome wrote:

What's a special snowflake?


A member of that newly-adult, me'er-than-me generation which expects attention and praise just for being themselves -- doing anything to deserve it is completely optional.

Oh, he's too much of special snowflake to get a day job -- his mom's paying the rent while he hangs out waiting for the perfect high-paying project to come along. I guess the market for C-minus filmmaking majors is a little soft right now or something.

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Postby Megali Helles » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:14 am

Estenia wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
Thanks. If you fave me the link for that, I would have been mad cause my school blocks it :meh:

Why you Americans can be online from schools while on mine they don't even allow us to use phones. Goddamnit


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Postby Paid To Troll » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:17 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Paid To Troll wrote:Yes, but not because you're of heightened intellectual status or any other such hogwash. It's literally because you just don't produce a physical reaction. Truly asexual people are rare.


*Waves* Hello.

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Postby Devils advocate Liberonscien » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:46 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:There isn't non binary. Binary is all there is. Either off or on. X or Y. 1 or 0. Weft or woo.

I know you don't actually think that, so why would I even bother refuting you?

I don't? You sure about that? One can have two opinions on a subject. How else do we have arguments with ourselves?
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Postby Devils advocate Liberonscien » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:13 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:I know you don't actually think that, so why would I even bother refuting you?

I don't? You sure about that? One can have two opinions on a subject. How else do we have arguments with ourselves?

I've thought about it some more. It is probably not binary. Trinary, maybe.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:16 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:
Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:I don't? You sure about that? One can have two opinions on a subject. How else do we have arguments with ourselves?

I've thought about it some more. It is probably not binary. Trinary, maybe.


We had this very discussion on this here thread only a couple of days ago. It's a bit early in the cycle to pose exactly the same questions again.
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Postby Devils advocate Liberonscien » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:22 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:
Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:I don't? You sure about that? One can have two opinions on a subject. How else do we have arguments with ourselves?

I've thought about it some more. It is probably not binary. Trinary, maybe.

Though how there could be more than 2 baffles me. It doesn't exist anywhere else in nature as far as I know.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:23 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:Though how there could be more than 2 baffles me. It doesn't exist anywhere else in nature as far as I know.


Because people say so and disagreeing upsets them. I've never seen any other evidence provided.
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Postby Paid To Troll » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:23 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:
Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:I've thought about it some more. It is probably not binary. Trinary, maybe.

Though how there could be more than 2 baffles me. It doesn't exist anywhere else in nature as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

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Postby Devils advocate Liberonscien » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:29 pm

Paid To Troll wrote:
Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:Though how there could be more than 2 baffles me. It doesn't exist anywhere else in nature as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

All I've seen is male and female.... Two or three kinds of male or female but still just male or female.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:33 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:

All I've seen is male and female.... Two or three kinds of male or female but still just male or female.


There aren't two and there aren't three because there isn't one to begin with. Gender is purely a social concept with no bearing on reality.
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Postby Paid To Troll » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:35 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:

All I've seen is male and female.... Two or three kinds of male or female but still just male or female.

Although biology usually determines genetically whether a human's biological sex is male or female (though intersex people are also born), the state of personally identifying as, or being identified by society as, belonging to neither the male or female genders is considered relative to the individual's gender role in society, gender identity, and sexual orientation. While some western scholars have sought to understand the term 'third gender' in terms of 'sexual orientation,' several other scholars, especially the native non-western scholars, consider this as a misrepresentation of 'third genders.

That's from the link.

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Postby Devils advocate Liberonscien » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:38 pm

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Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:All I've seen is male and female.... Two or three kinds of male or female but still just male or female.

Although biology usually determines genetically whether a human's biological sex is male or female (though intersex people are also born), the state of personally identifying as, or being identified by society as, belonging to neither the male or female genders is considered relative to the individual's gender role in society, gender identity, and sexual orientation. While some western scholars have sought to understand the term 'third gender' in terms of 'sexual orientation,' several other scholars, especially the native non-western scholars, consider this as a misrepresentation of 'third genders.

That's from the link.

Intersex appears to be both or in between. Like how a lightswitch can be balanced between off and on.
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Postby Devils advocate Liberonscien » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:39 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:All I've seen is male and female.... Two or three kinds of male or female but still just male or female.


There aren't two and there aren't three because there isn't one to begin with. Gender is purely a social concept with no bearing on reality.

I never mentioned gender.
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Postby Paid To Troll » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:40 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:
Paid To Troll wrote:
That's from the link.

Intersex appears to be both or in between. Like how a lightswitch can be balanced between off and on.

It is essentially a physical malformation, in that the intended biological outcome of a copy of the parents did not occur.

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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:40 pm

Devils advocate Liberonscien wrote:
Paid To Troll wrote:
That's from the link.

Intersex appears to be both or in between. Like how a lightswitch can be balanced between off and on.


However 0.5 is neither 0 nor 1. Additionally, sex and gender are separate — they decline to affect each other.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:41 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:There aren't two and there aren't three because there isn't one to begin with. Gender is purely a social concept with no bearing on reality.


I think that view makes better sense as a political maneuver than as a faithful interpretation of the evidence.
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