LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[New Connorstantinople]

I'd say it likely mixed. Others may have closer inclination towards homosexuality, but choice being the final factor. In the end, it is my opinion, and God's work is his, not mine.

If God made people gay, why is it a sin? It's not harming anyone.

Sigh... And now I have to put in religious ideology... While there is debate between religious scholars as to whether God made us inherently sinful, or whether we are just quickly introduced to sin, the end result is the same. God makes some things sin because it harms ourselves, and God loves and cares for us in many and different ways. As a christian, I am called to love and spread the word, not to hate and exclude.

[Othelos]

That's because it's akin to being racist.

No. Being opposed to homosexual acts is not the same as being racist. If a person does not commit homosexual acts I have no problem with them.

You said you're opposed to homosexuality. Sexual orientation is a biological fact about someone, like their skin color.

Why does it matter to you what two consenting adults do in the bedroom?

[Empire of Narnia]

Not sure if serious, or if sarcasm.

Empire of Narnia is always serious about these issues.

Feel free to take a moment to let that sink in as you read through his posting history.

Got a problem with me being serious?

[MERIZoC]

Also, NSG has a very clearly obvious liberal bias. If you say Hitler or Aryan around here, you will be tied to the floor and tortured. Liberaly.

You spelled "liberally" wrong. *summons Guards*

Farn rules with an iron fist.

[Ixzara]

Also, NSG has a very clearly obvious liberal bias. If you say Hitler or Aryan around here, you will be tied to the floor and tortured. Liberaly.

We can't torture people over the Internet.

Says who? Certainly not the NSG Constitution. The NSG Constitution is basically a Starbucks menu with a kool-aid stain in the bottom-right hand corner.

[Death Metal]

Care to explain why?

It's gross, does not lead to reproduction, goes against religion and turns people to the dark side.

False, irrelevant, very irrelevent, and false.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

'
Cats are gross. Ban cats.

Onions are gross. Ban onions.

Heretic, Onions are delicious, you obviously are just a dissapate and immoral individual who don't deserve human rights.

[Liriena]

Empire of Narnia is always serious about these issues.

Feel free to take a moment to let that sink in as you read through his posting history.

Got a problem with me being serious?

Got a bigger problem with you supporting the execution of LGBT people.

[Ixzara]

Empire of Narnia is always serious about these issues.

Feel free to take a moment to let that sink in as you read through his posting history.

Got a problem with me being serious?

Nope. Just have a problem with general biggotism.

[Othelos]

Got a problem with me being serious?

Got a bigger problem with you supporting the execution of LGBT people.

^This.

[Draconikus]

I mean no offensive to social conservatives, but really, what is the problem? I see four pretty flawed arguments against it.

1. Religion. "AND IF A MAN LIES WITH ANOTHER MAN, IT SHALL BE AN ABOMINATION." Religion has no place in law. Also, that only counts for two men, so being lesbian is aight.

-snip-

I have to disagree with this. Ethics have a place in law, and up until fairly recently, religion was considered _the_ moral guide. So what we really have is 'is this essential to the moral framework, or is it an artifact of past ages?' Which is a perfectly legitimate question for our lawmakers.

However, what I actually disagree with is the current usage of the term 'marriage'. So far as I am concerned, 'marriage' has religious connotations, and is therefore a status only conferrable by recognised religious authorities.
Remove the religious element, and you're left with something like 'dedicated life partners'. Not as emotionally forceful, I'll admit, but once they settle on a term for it, that will change with time.

[New Connorstantinople]

It is a middle finger, along with the other ones to form a high five,

Man, I hate that saying so much.

because they're still good people. Its like saying I dislike lying, but we've all lied.

Are you really going to form a negative opinion of your own friends just because of your religion?

Pause here, that's a saying? I thought I was being witty.

That's the thing, I DONT have a negative opinion of my friends, they're my friends. Its an action I dislike, not them.

[Farnhamia]

Man, I hate that saying so much.

Are you really going to form a negative opinion of your own friends just because of your religion?

Pause here, that's a saying? I thought I was being witty.

That's the thing, I DONT have a negative opinion of my friends, they're my friends. Its an action I dislike, not them.

If one or another of your gay friends gets married, will you refuse an invitation to the wedding?

[Ixzara]

Pause here, that's a saying? I thought I was being witty.

That's the thing, I DONT have a negative opinion of my friends, they're my friends. Its an action I dislike, not them.

If one or another of your gay friends gets married, will you refuse an invitation to the wedding?

I think the better question would be, will they have finger sammiches?

[Empire of Narnia]

Got a problem with me being serious?

Nope. Just have a problem with general biggotism.

If they don't commit the act it is not a problem. I think homosexual acts should be banned, but if people can hold back their sinful urges I have no problem with them. That would actually show great strength of character to not fall to the dark side.

[New Connorstantinople]

Also, NSG has a very clearly obvious liberal bias. If you say Hitler or Aryan around here, you will be tied to the floor and tortured. Liberaly.

We can't torture people over the Internet.

I've seen some serious flood of attacks on conservatives and right-wingers here... NSG is seemingly leftist and liberal, and in some cases, to a point of rudeness and un-understanding.

[Othelos]

Nope. Just have a problem with general biggotism.

If they don't commit the act it is not a problem. I think homosexual acts should be banned, but if people can hold back their sinful urges I have no problem with them. That would actually show great strength of character to not fall to the dark side.

I think heterosexual acts should be banned, because they wrong.

See how legit my argument is?

[Shaggai]

I mean no offensive to social conservatives, but really, what is the problem? I see four pretty flawed arguments against it.

1. Religion. "AND IF A MAN LIES WITH ANOTHER MAN, IT SHALL BE AN ABOMINATION." Religion has no place in law. Also, that only counts for two men, so being lesbian is aight.

-snip-

I have to disagree with this. Ethics have a place in law, and up until fairly recently, religion was considered _the_ moral guide. So what we really have is 'is this essential to the moral framework, or is it an artifact of past ages?' Which is a perfectly legitimate question for our lawmakers.

However, what I actually disagree with is the current usage of the term 'marriage'. So far as I am concerned, 'marriage' has religious connotations, and is therefore a status only conferrable by recognised religious authorities.
Remove the religious element, and you're left with something like 'dedicated life partners'. Not as emotionally forceful, I'll admit, but once they settle on a term for it, that will change with time.

Marriage does not necessarily have religious connotations. Furthermore, plenty of religious people are willing to perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples.

[Pandeeria]

Man, I hate that saying so much.

Are you really going to form a negative opinion of your own friends just because of your religion?

Pause here, that's a saying? I thought I was being witty.

That's the thing, I DONT have a negative opinion of my friends, they're my friends. Its an action I dislike, not them.

Yeahs, that's actually a saying. The first time I heard that reply, it thought it was witty as hell, but then it got repetitive.

But you dislike an extremely important aspect of your friends that make them who they are.

If you could, would you have homosexuality ridden away from them?

[Ixzara]

Nope. Just have a problem with general biggotism.

If they don't commit the act it is not a problem. I think homosexual acts should be banned, but if people can hold back their sinful urges I have no problem with them. That would actually show great strength of character to not fall to the dark side.

Alright, here goes. Who gives a flying fuck what other people do in their bedroom? Who are you to judge what is moral or immoral, and what makes you the utmost authority on the issue? Furthermore, how would you like it if someone told you that while you may live with someone of the opposite gender, so long as you do not copulate nor engage in any intimate activities, ever, under penalty of death?

[Empire of Narnia]

If they don't commit the act it is not a problem. I think homosexual acts should be banned, but if people can hold back their sinful urges I have no problem with them. That would actually show great strength of character to not fall to the dark side.

I think heterosexual acts should be banned, because they wrong.

See how legit my argument is?

Humans would go extinct if they did that. Any government that did that would be overthrown because like, 99% of the population is heterosexual anyways.

[Sun Wukong]

If they don't commit the act it is not a problem. I think homosexual acts should be banned, but if people can hold back their sinful urges I have no problem with them. That would actually show great strength of character to not fall to the dark side.

I think heterosexual acts should be banned, because they wrong.

See how legit my argument is?

Don't bother. Narnia is... we'll let's just say he's having a bit of trouble coming out of the wardrobe.

[Ixzara]

I think heterosexual acts should be banned, because they wrong.

See how legit my argument is?

Humans would go extinct if they did that. Any government that did that would be overthrown because like, 99% of the population is heterosexual anyways.

Source?

[Mavorpen]

Nope. Just have a problem with general biggotism.

If they don't commit the act it is not a problem. I think homosexual acts should be banned, but if people can hold back their sinful urges I have no problem with them. That would actually show great strength of character to not fall to the dark side.

When did life turn into a Star Wars movie?

[New Connorstantinople]

Pause here, that's a saying? I thought I was being witty.

That's the thing, I DONT have a negative opinion of my friends, they're my friends. Its an action I dislike, not them.

If one or another of your gay friends gets married, will you refuse an invitation to the wedding?

I would not. I'd have a moment of sadness, and pray for them, but attend and rejoice in their happiness, even if it is in sinful reasoning. This would leave me honestly torn. I'd celebrate them, but not their actions. Does this make sense at all?