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Should Sealand be Soverign?

Yes
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No; it is British Territory
10
16%
No; it should be demolished
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Other
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SCIENCE ISN'T ABOUT WHY
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And Now For Something Completely Different: Sealand

Postby Meinkraft » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:26 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand




Wikipedia wrote:The claim that Sealand is a recognised independent sovereign state is based on an interpretation of a 1968 decision of an English court, in which it was held that Roughs Tower was in international waters and thus outside the jurisdiction of the domestic courts.
In international law, the two most common schools of thought for the creation of statehood are the constitutive and declaratory theories of state creation. The constitutive theory was the standard nineteenth-century model of statehood, and the declaratory theory was developed in the twentieth century to address shortcomings of the constitutive theory. In the constitutive theory, a state exists exclusively via recognition by other states. The theory splits on whether this recognition requires ‘diplomatic recognition’ or merely ‘recognition of existence’. No other state grants Sealand official recognition, but it has been argued by Bates that negotiations carried out by Germany constituted ‘recognition of existence’. In the declaratory theory of statehood, an entity becomes a state as soon as it meets the minimal criteria for statehood. Therefore recognition by other states is purely ‘declaratory’.


My question for NSG is: Should Sealand be recognized as a sovereign state? Why?

I believe that the state deserves the right to be free, and to have the same rights as any other nation, as they have a functioning governmental system.
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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:43 pm

No. Its property of the British Government that should remain in its current meme status quo.
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Postby Taoju » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:44 pm

SCIENCE IS NOT ABOUT WHY IT'S ABOUT WHY NOT :>

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Postby Meinkraft » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:47 pm

Blazedtown wrote:No. Its property of the British Government that should remain in its current meme status quo.

Meme? People have settled this area from their forefathers. The new prince took power when his father died.
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:00 pm

Meinkraft wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:No. Its property of the British Government that should remain in its current meme status quo.

Meme? People have settled this area from their forefathers. The new prince took power when his father died.


Err thats forefather - just one guy and his family ia an estate not a country

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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:02 pm

Sealand is British Territory. /thread
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Postby Meinkraft » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:04 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Sealand is British Territory. /thread

You can't just /thread something like this. This isn't the Gov't Shutdown.
Cetacea wrote:
Meinkraft wrote:Meme? People have settled this area from their forefathers. The new prince took power when his father died.


Err thats forefather - just one guy and his family ia an estate not a country

There are over 50 people living there (As of 2012) There is no functional use of the place to the Brits, why not let it become its own nation?
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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:05 pm

Meinkraft wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Sealand is British Territory. /thread

You can't just /thread something like this. This isn't the Gov't Shutdown.
Cetacea wrote:
Err thats forefather - just one guy and his family ia an estate not a country

There are over 50 people living there (As of 2012) There is no functional use of the place to the Brits, why not let it become its own nation?


I don't see how that relates to the thread, but alright. I'm saying /thread, because everybody is going to agree that Sealand is a mirconation, nothing more.
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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:06 pm

Meinkraft wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Sealand is British Territory. /thread

You can't just /thread something like this. This isn't the Gov't Shutdown.
Cetacea wrote:
Err thats forefather - just one guy and his family ia an estate not a country

There are over 50 people living there (As of 2012) There is no functional use of the place to the Brits, why not let it become its own nation?


You're the one advocating Sealand's independence, why let it become a nation? It's so ridiculously pointless, and I don't see it going well for anyone.
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Postby Euloria » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:07 pm

I don't know, I mean, Sealand is goddamn hilarious and letting them exist doesn't really hurt Britain at all.

Of course, they have no actual legitimacy, but my goodness, imagine the hilarity if they were actually allowed independence!
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Postby Stovokor » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:07 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Meinkraft wrote:You can't just /thread something like this. This isn't the Gov't Shutdown.

There are over 50 people living there (As of 2012) There is no functional use of the place to the Brits, why not let it become its own nation?


I don't see how that relates to the thread, but alright. I'm saying /thread, because everybody is going to agree that Sealand is a mirconation, nothing more.


agreed /thread.
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Postby Aden Protectorate » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:08 pm

Sealand forever!

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Postby Meinkraft » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:09 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Meinkraft wrote:You can't just /thread something like this. This isn't the Gov't Shutdown.

There are over 50 people living there (As of 2012) There is no functional use of the place to the Brits, why not let it become its own nation?


You're the one advocating Sealand's independence, why let it become a nation? It's so ridiculously pointless, and I don't see it going well for anyone.

You did say micronation. Well, maybe they can run themselves, let them try it. If it's not for them, well, Brit territory, I guess.
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Postby Belzia » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:09 pm

sealand isn't a country, it's a hobby/business venture.
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Postby Vareiln » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:09 pm

1. Give them freedom
2. Cut off all government aid and services as they are now a sovereign nation
3. ???
4. Profit

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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:10 pm

Meinkraft wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You're the one advocating Sealand's independence, why let it become a nation? It's so ridiculously pointless, and I don't see it going well for anyone.

You did say micronation. Well, maybe they can run themselves, let them try it. If it's not for them, well, Brit territory, I guess.


A mirconation isn't a nation that is self governing/sovereign.
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:11 pm

I support Sealand because it's a swagging nation.
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Postby Meinkraft » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:12 pm

Shofercia wrote:Of course! We need more tiny countries in the World to complicate geography exams!

Sealand is easy to remember.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:13 pm

Meinkraft wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Of course! We need more tiny countries in the World to complicate geography exams!

Sealand is easy to remember.


For English speakers, yes. But to some it sounds like Turkmenistan in their language :P
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Postby The Soviet German Empire » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:18 pm

Meinkraft wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Of course! We need more tiny countries in the World to complicate geography exams!

Sealand is easy to remember.

Can you locate it on a map of Europe without looking it up? It'd be hell on a test...
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Postby Meinkraft » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:20 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Meinkraft wrote:Sealand is easy to remember.


For English speakers, yes. But to some it sounds like Turkmenistan in their language :P

Hm. Welp, it will be of no concern to me. If Sealand is to be free, what is the first thing they should do, government-wise? Join the UN?
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:21 pm

Meinkraft wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
For English speakers, yes. But to some it sounds like Turkmenistan in their language :P

Hm. Welp, it will be of no concern to me. If Sealand is to be free, what is the first thing they should do, government-wise? Join the UN?


Provide the basics, such as water, food, education, healthcare, power, etc. Then join the UN.
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Postby Meinkraft » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:22 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Meinkraft wrote:Hm. Welp, it will be of no concern to me. If Sealand is to be free, what is the first thing they should do, government-wise? Join the UN?


Provide the basics, such as water, food, education, healthcare, power, etc. Then join the UN.

Should Sealand, then, have a standing army?
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