What do you think about UKIP?

[Divair]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10220974
About half a million. Out of 63 million. As I said, nobody.

>There are 574,946 shotgun certificates which cover 1.4 million shotguns.

And? There are about half a million gun owners. That's quite a small percentage of the population (most of whom are in the middle of nowhere), and nowhere near enough to make it a political issue.

[Imperializt Russia]

Actually, there are almost two million registered firearms in the United Kingdom, and undoubtedly many more that aren't registered.
Especially in rural areas, firearm ownership is not rare at all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10220974
About half a million. Out of 63 million. As I said, nobody.

There are civil firearms for one out of every thirty in the UK. That's actually sizeable.

[Wolfmanne]

>There are 574,946 shotgun certificates which cover 1.4 million shotguns.

And? There are about half a million gun owners. That's quite a small percentage of the population (most of whom are in the middle of nowhere), and nowhere near enough to make it a political issue.

> middle of no-where

My family lives in London and we own an air rifle.

[Vyvland]

No. Nobody has guns and nobody cares. Only far-rightists and Americans ever mention it.

Actually, there are almost two million registered firearms in the United Kingdom, and undoubtedly many more that aren't registered.
Especially in rural areas, firearm ownership is not rare at all.

With the exception of actual farmers, it kinda is. Living in rural England, I've only ever known three people with guns, and two of those were farmers. I honestly don't know who's hiding these guns, but I'd assume it's significantly skewed towards private collectors or something. Or that a lot of people with gun licences don't actually own guns.

[Divair]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10220974
About half a million. Out of 63 million. As I said, nobody.

There are civil firearms for one out of every thirty in the UK. That's actually sizeable.

And there are more guns in the US than people. Doesn't mean much politically.

And? There are about half a million gun owners. That's quite a small percentage of the population (most of whom are in the middle of nowhere), and nowhere near enough to make it a political issue.

> middle of no-where

My family lives in London and we own an air rifle.

Congratulations?

[Quintium]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10220974
About half a million. Out of 63 million. As I said, nobody.

There are civil firearms for one out of every thirty in the UK. That's actually sizeable.

That means if you walk into an Asda, it's pretty likely that several people in there at the moment are allowed to own firearms.
Not inconsequential, then.

[Wolfmanne]

There are civil firearms for one out of every thirty in the UK. That's actually sizeable.

And there are more guns in the US than people. Doesn't mean much politically.

> middle of no-where

My family lives in London and we own an air rifle.

Congratulations?

Yes, congratulations for stereotyping UK gun owners.

[Imperializt Russia]

There are civil firearms for one out of every thirty in the UK. That's actually sizeable.

That means if you walk into an Asda, it's pretty likely that several people in there at the moment are allowed to own firearms.
Not inconsequential, then.

Not my local Asda, mind, because Merseyside has the lowest firearms licence issuing in the country.
But on the basis that everyone who lives where I do is either a student, a drug dealer or both, the number of people with firearms is probably the same.

[Divair]

And there are more guns in the US than people. Doesn't mean much politically.


Congratulations?

Yes, congratulations for stereotyping UK gun owners.

I don't see how you owning an air rifle disproves that most gun owners are in the middle of nowhere. If you want to argue with anecdotes, I can simply say I haven't seen a single gun since I've arrived in the UK. Do I win a prize?

[Imperializt Russia]

There are civil firearms for one out of every thirty in the UK. That's actually sizeable.

And there are more guns in the US than people. Doesn't mean much politically.

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And?

[Divair]

And there are more guns in the US than people. Doesn't mean much politically.

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And?

I'm not claiming there are no guns in the UK. There are few countries with a small enough amount of guns to disregard them entirely. But there aren't enough gun owners, and more importantly enough gun owners who care, to make gun control anywhere near a priority. To like the UKIP simply because they favour deregulating guns is absolutely asinine.

[Wolfmanne]

Yes, congratulations for stereotyping UK gun owners.

I don't see how you owning an air rifle disproves that most gun owners are in the middle of nowhere. If you want to argue with anecdotes, I can simply say I haven't seen a single gun since I've arrived in the UK. Do I win a prize?

That's a lie. The Police are equipped with guns at all airports. You had to have seen a gun when you immigrated here.

[Quintium]

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And?

I'm not claiming there are no guns in the UK. There are few countries with a small enough amount of guns to disregard them entirely. But there aren't enough gun owners, and more importantly enough gun owners who care, to make gun control anywhere near a priority. To like the UKIP simply because they favour deregulating guns is absolutely asinine.

It's a political position, and I'm sure it's one that is shared by plenty of people.
Be glad they've made their position on something clear.

[Divair]

I don't see how you owning an air rifle disproves that most gun owners are in the middle of nowhere. If you want to argue with anecdotes, I can simply say I haven't seen a single gun since I've arrived in the UK. Do I win a prize?

That's a lie. The Police are equipped with guns at all airports. You had to have seen a gun when you immigrated here.

I saw few cops, and while I didn't pay close attention because I don't care, from what I recall they all had batons and not much else.

[Divair]

It's a political position, and I'm sure it's one that is shared by plenty of people.

Not in the UK.

Be glad they've made their position on something clear.

That's a pathetically low standard.

[Quintium]

It's a political position, and I'm sure it's one that is shared by plenty of people.

Not in the UK.

Really? What are the percentages?

Be glad they've made their position on something clear.

That's a pathetically low standard.

Why?

[Divair]

Really? What are the percentages?

Didn't we just go over this? I swear I just posted a source that showed there were about half a million gun owners out of 63 million people (which, of course, doesn't mean that the half a million actually care enough to make gun control a priority).

Why?

There's no reason why people should be glad someone can post a coherent sentence. That should be the norm, not the exception.

[Quintium]

Really? What are the percentages?

Didn't we just go over this? I swear I just posted a source that showed there were about half a million gun owners out of 63 million people (which, of course, doesn't mean that the half a million actually care enough to make gun control a priority).

It's about the political position, and popular opinion about that. My request for you is to provide me with a credible source about popular opinion.
Not how many people own firearms, but how many people would support the position of the United Kingdom Independence Party on this issue.
So far, I've seen nothing about that, and yet you're claiming that it's a very unpopular or insignificant view.

[Wolfmanne]

Really? What are the percentages?

Didn't we just go over this? I swear I just posted a source that showed there were about half a million gun owners out of 63 million people (which, of course, doesn't mean that the half a million actually care enough to make gun control a priority).

Why?

There's no reason why people should be glad someone can post a coherent sentence. That should be the norm, not the exception.

Quintium Divair is right. The rate of gun ownership is about 1% in the UK, which roughly corresponds to Divair's figures. British hunters don't dispute that figure.

Didn't we just go over this? I swear I just posted a source that showed there were about half a million gun owners out of 63 million people (which, of course, doesn't mean that the half a million actually care enough to make gun control a priority).

It's about the political position, and popular opinion about that. My request for you is to provide me with a credible source about popular opinion.
Not how many people own firearms, but how many people would support the position of the United Kingdom Independence Party on this issue.
So far, I've seen nothing about that, and yet you're claiming that it's a very unpopular or insignificant view.

Speaking as a gun owner person who has been loaned a gun by a responsible adult, I'd say that the status quo of keeping retards from owning guns works fine.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Ardent capitalist, Thatcherite, and Blairite though I am, UKIP is abhorrent to a proper cosmopolitan social liberal internationalist like me and deserves the same treatment that Fascist Germany got: liberal improvement.

[Divair]

Didn't we just go over this? I swear I just posted a source that showed there were about half a million gun owners out of 63 million people (which, of course, doesn't mean that the half a million actually care enough to make gun control a priority).

It's about the political position, and popular opinion about that. My request for you is to provide me with a credible source about popular opinion.
Not how many people own firearms, but how many people would support the position of the United Kingdom Independence Party on this issue.
So far, I've seen nothing about that, and yet you're claiming that it's a very unpopular or insignificant view.

It's not enough of an issue to even be studied. I'm basing my argument entirely off of logical deduction. If you can't see that, that's not my problem.

[Quintium]

Blairite

Let me throw up for a moment.

[Divair]

Ardent capitalist, Thatcherite, and Blairite though I am, UKIP is abhorrent to a proper cosmopolitan social liberal internationalist like me and deserves the same treatment that Fascist Germany got: liberal improvement.

Cosmopolitan social liberal that likes Thatcher and Blair?


What?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Blairite

Let me throw up for a moment.

Labour+economic liberalism+capitalism is better than Labour+milliband+the end of the free market in my humble opinion.

[Wolfmanne]

Ardent capitalist, Thatcherite, and Blairite though I am, UKIP is abhorrent to a proper cosmopolitan social liberal internationalist like me and deserves the same treatment that Fascist Germany got: liberal improvement.

Can you go over your political views once again and explain each of them to me?