What do you think about UKIP?

[Arkinesia]

Incorrect.

No, it's quite correct. Pulling out of the EU would be terrible for the UK.

Correct, so long as the EU doesn't collapse and the UK keeps the pound. I wouldn't touch the Euro with a ten-foot pole right now, seeing as any minor economic slowdown will probably kill it at this point.

[Wolfmanne]

Their MONSTERS!!

How?

[Agritum]

Their MONSTERS!!

How?

Using a guy famous for getting Brits INTO Europe for their ironically anti-EU leaflets.

[Greater-London]

How?

Using a guy famous for getting Brits INTO Europe for their ironically anti-EU leaflets.

Which to be fair doesn't make them monsters, just fools. Also I don't think your making the mistake of being involved in Europe and Pro Europe equating to being Pro EU. I for example am a firm Euroscpetic but I am pro working with our European partners and think Britain should have close ties with the continent. To say Churchill was Pro or Anti EU is foolish, as its so long after his time.

[Agritum]

Using a guy famous for getting Brits INTO Europe for their ironically anti-EU leaflets.

Which to be fair doesn't make them monsters, just fools. Also I don't think your making the mistake of being involved in Europe and Pro Europe equating to being Pro EU. I for example am a firm Euroscpetic but I am pro working with our European partners and think Britain should have close ties with the continent. To say Churchill was Pro or Anti EU is foolish, as its so long after his time.

Well, yeah. I should have made it more apparent that my post was kinda a light-hearted response to Obnoxious Teenagers' claims.

[Greater-London]

Well, yeah. I should have made it more apparent that my post was kinda a light-hearted response to Obnoxious Teenagers' claims.

I see, sorry about that. To be fair I am never sure who is and isn't joking on NS. Should perhaps be some sort of code.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

That's not what UKIP espouses, but even so, what's wrong with limited government?

Minarchism isn't about limited government, it's about minimal government. It's a morally and mentally bankrupt ideology that has been proven wrong countless times.

If you like capitalism and the rule of law then why do you view minarchism in this way?

[Wamitoria]

Minarchism isn't about limited government, it's about minimal government. It's a morally and mentally bankrupt ideology that has been proven wrong countless times.

If you like capitalism and the rule of law then why do you view minarchism in this way?

Minarchism doesn't get to claim the rule of law.

[Everia]

If you like capitalism and the rule of law then why do you view minarchism in this way?

Minarchism doesn't get to claim the rule of law.

How so?

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

If you like capitalism and the rule of law then why do you view minarchism in this way?

Minarchism doesn't get to claim the rule of law.

What do you mean?

[Wamitoria]

Minarchism doesn't get to claim the rule of law.

How so?

Considering any government that enforces existing law is in favor of the "rule of law," claiming that only your political ideology is in favor of such things is patently ridiculous and incredibly disingenuous.

[Arkinesia]

Minarchism isn't about limited government, it's about minimal government. It's a morally and mentally bankrupt ideology that has been proven wrong countless times.

If you like capitalism and the rule of law then why do you view minarchism in this way?

Because minarchism is anarchism, but with less balls. Minarchists are just pussified anarchists. There's a lot of shit the private sector is just unable to handle.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

If you like capitalism and the rule of law then why do you view minarchism in this way?

Because minarchism is anarchism, but with less balls. Minarchists are just pussified anarchists. There's a lot of shit the private sector is just unable to handle.

Ridiculous. Anarchism cannot protect the rights of individuals or private property, minarchism can. And if you take a quick look at history, a fair few things can be maintained by the private sector. Chile's healthcare, unemployment insurance and pensions are great example.

[Imperializt Russia]

A "political union" must exist in some format to make it possible. There must be a reason why it's not widely-practised internationally (so far as I'm aware).

I see no reason why you need to have a political union in order to achieve it, its something that many Europhiles have failed to explain to me. I would probably think their may be some INCREDIBLY loose political body to oversee everything perhaps we could call it the common market? Also free trade and travel can happen on a bilateral basis like the border the UK has with Ireland or what will hopefully happen if Scotland gains independence.

The UK will not grant free trade with an independent Scotland as it is not an EU member state nor a part of the Union. Northern Ireland is a part of the Union, and the Republic of Ireland is an EU member state.

[Ifreann]

I see no reason why you need to have a political union in order to achieve it, its something that many Europhiles have failed to explain to me. I would probably think their may be some INCREDIBLY loose political body to oversee everything perhaps we could call it the common market? Also free trade and travel can happen on a bilateral basis like the border the UK has with Ireland or what will hopefully happen if Scotland gains independence.

The UK will not grant free trade with an independent Scotland as it is not an EU member state nor a part of the Union. Northern Ireland is a part of the Union, and the Republic of Ireland is an EU member state.

I believe that the UK and Ireland have some kind of free travel arrangement. I've heard that I don't need a passport to enter the UK, but it could just be something people say that isn't actually true. *shrug*

[Greater-London]

The UK will not grant free trade with an independent Scotland as it is not an EU member state nor a part of the Union. Northern Ireland is a part of the Union, and the Republic of Ireland is an EU member state.

Well my point about Norther Ireland and the Republic is that we had free movement of people and goods across the border before either the UK or ROI were members of the EU. My point was that bilateral free trade and travel arrangements can exist without political union between two countries. The UK would not be allowed to have free trade with an independent Scotland as the EU doesn't allow its members to have free trade deals that aren't on a EU wide basis. However their is no practical reason why we couldn't have free movement of peoples and goods within Europe without a political union. Aside from the fact it would take time to arrange those deals.

[Greater-London]

I believe that the UK and Ireland have some kind of free travel arrangement. I've heard that I don't need a passport to enter the UK, but it could just be something people say that isn't actually true. *shrug*

Where do you live if you don't mind me asking? If your a citizen of the Republic then you can enter Northern Ireland and the UK without a passport, you would only need a passport if you were travelling by plane.

[Geilinor]

Because minarchism is anarchism, but with less balls. Minarchists are just pussified anarchists. There's a lot of shit the private sector is just unable to handle.

Ridiculous. Anarchism cannot protect the rights of individuals or private property, minarchism can. And if you take a quick look at history, a fair few things can be maintained by the private sector. Chile's healthcare, unemployment insurance and pensions are great example.

You mean this healthcare? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonasa That's not minarchism. You have the option to seek treatment through private insurers, but countries like Germany, which are not minarchist at all, have that as well.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

Ridiculous. Anarchism cannot protect the rights of individuals or private property, minarchism can. And if you take a quick look at history, a fair few things can be maintained by the private sector. Chile's healthcare, unemployment insurance and pensions are great example.

You mean this healthcare? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonasa That's not minarchism. You have the option to seek treatment through private insurers, but countries like Germany, which are not minarchist at all, have that as well.

My mistake. But I'm certain about unemployment and pension insurance.

[Geilinor]

You mean this healthcare? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonasa That's not minarchism. You have the option to seek treatment through private insurers, but countries like Germany, which are not minarchist at all, have that as well.

My mistake. But I'm certain about unemployment and pension insurance.

Chile's pension system only works if you're one of the 60% or so of the population that is covered under it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensions_in_Chile#Coverage

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

My mistake. But I'm certain about unemployment and pension insurance.

Chile's pension system only works if you're one of the 60% or so of the population that is covered under it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensions_in_Chile#Coverage

I question the validity of that source. I've heard as much as 93% from more specific sources.

[Geilinor]

Chile's pension system only works if you're one of the 60% or so of the population that is covered under it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensions_in_Chile#Coverage

I question the validity of that source. I've heard as much as 93% from more specific sources.

There's quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the system in Chile. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/world/americas/10iht-chile.html?_r=3&

[Alimprad]

though some of you beg to differ, I much prefer BNP because at least they tell you what they want, rather than pretend they are against immigration, when infact looking at there policies, you'll find their true plan for the invasion of britian.

[Breadknife]

though some of you beg to differ, I much prefer BNP because at least they tell you what they want, rather than pretend they are against immigration, when infact looking at there policies, you'll find their true plan for the invasion of britian.

Yeah... but no.

[Goofy republic]

though some of you beg to differ, I much prefer BNP because at least they tell you what they want, rather than pretend they are against immigration, when infact looking at there policies, you'll find their true plan for the invasion of britian.

Invasion of britain? Hate to break it to you but the whites were technically here first...just saying...